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Have historically black colleges outlived their purpose?

Posted on 5/2/18 at 7:56 am
Posted by younger now
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 7:56 am
....and if so, what’s to be done about that?

Clearly, at their inception, their was a need for their establishment, and for many years, their existence.

But consider their white “counterpart” schools at the high school level. I grew up in the era of “LISA” schools. For the youngsters, “LISA” schools were small, private schools that served one unwritten purpose to which educating children was actually secondary. These schools sprang up in late 1960s and early 1970’s, and that PRIMARY purpose was to keep little white boys and girls from having to face the horrors of being educated while sitting next to little black girls and boys.

As the South integrated the public school system in the 1970’s, and found other, more subtle ways to segregate children, the primary purpose and conditions for which and in which these schools were created and deemed necessary no longer existed. As such, they either closed up shop, or allowed black children to attend.

The same plight now faces historically black colleges. Sure, white folks can go. And obviously, black folks can go to colleges that were once off limits to them. It just seems to me that the when the educational money pie is getting carved up at the state level, and simultaneously word comes down that higher education is facing serious financial crisis, the most logical place to cut would be an ENTIRE SYSTEM of schools who’s purpose for creation no longer exists.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:00 am to
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Have historically black colleges outlived their purpose?
Yes.

But now they have a new purpose: provide a money filled sandbox for blacks to play in.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:01 am to
We need more vocational training and less college training across the board - regardless of race.
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:05 am to
I say cut schools based off of graduation rates.

If you're only graduating 15% of students, it's time to close the doors.
Posted by TheChosenOne
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:07 am to
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the most logical place to cut would be an ENTIRE SYSTEM of schools who’s purpose for creation no longer exists.


I agree most of them should be shut down, but aren't a few of them, like Spellman and Howard, fairly respected Universities nationally?

Posted by younger now
Member since Mar 2018
85 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:07 am to
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We need more vocational training and less college training across the board - regardless of race.



This is absolutely true. If this plan were implemented successfully, not only would black colleges no long unnecessarily drain state education coffers, but the litany of equally unnecessary, underperforming white colleges would no longer be a part of that same drain.
Posted by younger now
Member since Mar 2018
85 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:14 am to
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I agree most of them should be shut down, but aren't a few of them, like Spellman and Howard, fairly respected Universities nationally?


I’d assume that’s true, just based on the law of averages. If any historically black school is providing an educational service that’s not easily duplicated in its region / area, it should be funded to continuance.

The thread title called out historically black colleges, but IMO, it could have just as easily said “colleges that duplicate (comparitively poorly) services”.

The difference between those schools and the ones that are historically black is that one set was created to segregate students based on skin color, and that’s the difference that I think continues to promote a segregated society.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:15 am to
Segregation now and forever.


Oh wait...

Posted by crazyLSUstudent
391 miles away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2012
5500 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:17 am to
My question is if you are a young black man or woman why would you attend an HBCU. When you could get into universities that are of higher quality and provide better opportunity for a higher education. There are some exceptions to this rule like Howard or Spelman, but at the end of the most are a step down from non HBCU universities.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 8:24 am
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
70970 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:18 am to
Because the white man wearing a hood are after them.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 8:19 am
Posted by LSUWoodworker
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:25 am to
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:29 am to
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momentoftruth87


You need to take a break. Your true colors are shining through today.

We don’t care for racists around here.
Posted by StupidBinder
Jawja
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:30 am to
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My question is if you are a young black man or woman why would you attend an HBCU. When you could get into universities that are of higher quality and provide better opportunity for a higher education.


This.

The whole premise of this thread is kind of weird. Why would you want to get rid of a school just because it’s an HBCU?

If there are crappy schools that just so happen to be a HBCU, get rid of them....because they’re crappy schools. Not because they have a history of serving a marginalized segment of society.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 8:31 am
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:32 am to
Yes.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
70970 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:32 am to
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You need to take a break. Your true colors are shining through today. 

We don’t care for racists around here.



In the other thread you assumed I was from Arkansas and also referred to me as a klan member.

You're more fkd up than I am tbh.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:32 am to
Your post really has nothing to do with HBCUs out living their purpose.

There are plenty of colleges/programs that need to be cut. Keeping something open just be title is an HBCU is a bit dumb, but the title of HBCU is still relevant and won't go away.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
8551 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:36 am to
If you wonder if the HBC will ever die, google "Knoxville College". It managed to die and there were serious efforts to resuscitate it. They failed.

The local Knox County Library has several of their annuals from the days when they were important as seen by their alumni doings as recorded in the annuals. But a lack of maintenance of their physical facilities, a lack of students, a lack of alumni involvement.....

Buildings rotting on a hill nowadays.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:06 am to
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I say cut schools based off of graduation rates
Except where there are no viable options within a reasonable distance. They should be forced to downsize if their graduation rates are low, and people have no other option

Perfect example is SUNO vs UNO

Six year grad rate (total # of enrolled currently):
UNO = 35.8% (7,980)
SUNO = 16.1% (2,715)
LA average = 44.7%

UNO definitely has the facilities to handle another 2700 students. The semester before Katrina, UNO had 17,300 students. SUNO is across the street from UNO property.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
24912 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:19 am to
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I say cut schools based off of graduation rates.

If you're only graduating 15% of students, it's time to close the doors.



I agree 100%, but it would be political suicide for any politician to take this up. So, it'll never happen because one thing all politicians have in common is preservation of their position above all else.
Posted by Jackalope
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:20 am to
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We don’t care for racists around here.


Pot, meet kettle.
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