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Hard rock hotel collapse - Heaslip engineering

Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:43 pm
Posted by LSUisBetterthanU
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:43 pm
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Posted by LSUisBetterthanU
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:44 pm to
Looks like the structural engineer is to blame.
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:49 pm to
So there were pre-existing conditions apparently.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:50 pm to
Ruh-roh.

Strict liability's a motherfricker.

My cousin is a structural engineer and in his words when he first looked at the inspection prints that were released months ago, "they'd probably better contact some form of criminal defense attorney if they already haven't".
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 5:55 pm
Posted by wheelr
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:54 pm to
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Altogether, 11 companies working on the project were fined about $306,000 for problems that were in place before the collapse.


Are these fines normal for this scale of project? Or does OSHA have quite the racket going?

Posted by Chef Free Gold Bloom
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:57 pm to


Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:58 pm to
quote:


So there were pre-existing conditions apparently.



Over weight
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 5:59 pm to
Small firm with only two professional engineers on staff. Looks like this one is on the owner of the engineering firm.
Posted by BigPerm30
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:01 pm to
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Strict liability's a motherfricker.






Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:02 pm to
This is why I will not get into structural
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:02 pm to
So Teaslip really screwed up, but...

quote:

Altogether, 11 companies working on the project were fined about $306,000 for problems that were in place before the collapse.


From the beginning, I felt like buildings don't collapse unless a lot of crap went wrong. Seems like some of the citation were for seemingly minor stuff, but to me, it speaks to a culture of laziness and not caring. It seems like every major construction project around here runs late, over budget, or is crappily built, or all three.

Maybe some of our construction companies and subs need to take a look at themselves and get their shite together.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:04 pm to
So much for the sagging floors theory.
Posted by MileHigh_Tiger
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:05 pm to
Apparently it's $102k/life...shame

That structural engineer is going to have this follow them for the rest of their career, if there's much of one left after.
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 6:24 pm
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:08 pm to
quote:

From the beginning, I felt like buildings don't collapse unless a lot of crap went wrong. Seems like some of the citation were for seemingly minor stuff, but to me, it speaks to a culture of laziness and not caring. It seems like every major construction project around here runs late, over budget, or is crappily built, or all three.

Maybe some of our construction companies and subs need to take a look at themselves and get their shite together.


If OSHA goes on any job there is a decent chance there will be multiple citations. If OSHA goes on a job with multiple fatalities, you best believe they are going to find a bunch of violations. A citation could be something as improper bookeeping or a nick in an extension cord.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:10 pm to
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Apparently, 3 men's lives are worth $306,000 in the eyes of OSHA


That's what lawsuits are for
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:22 pm to
quote:

1031 Canal itself was not cited by OSHA.


Well, isn't that peachy.
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:26 pm to
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Heaslip Engineering principal engineer James Heaslip has not yet publicly commented on the collapse could not be immediately reached on Thursday.


Dude better lawyer up and keep his mouth shut, he is in a world of shite.

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Another 10 companies working on the job were also accused of a range of safety violations, including several cited for failing to provide proper exits or stairways that could have been used to escape the building.


How many of these violations would have been found if the city inspectors were actually onsite as they claimed.
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 6:29 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:30 pm to
quote:


Well, isn't that peachy.



If they didn't break OSHA rules/regs they won't be fined by OSHA
Posted by UABtiger
Member since Oct 2016
249 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:33 pm to
OSHA doesn’t have the statutory authority to levy huge fines like most people think. I’ve seen disasters more egregious than this (plantwide mercury poisoning) get similar fines in the 125k-150k range.
Posted by LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 6:34 pm to
Hey, is the middle lady in that gif the same lady who plays the psychiatrist in "Ozark"?
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