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re: Got Charged by Water Moccasins a Few Weeks Ago
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:29 am to 777Tiger
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:29 am to 777Tiger
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used to belong to a hunting club that leased a bunch of acreage in the basin, everyone had to go on at least two work trips during the summer to help clear trails to get to the hunting areas, dog runs, clean up the bunkhouse, etc., the first one of these work trips I showed up for it looked like we were going on a seek and destroy mission in VN, was wondering wtf? they would space out all of the armed guys among us carrying ma-che'-tes' and other brush clearing tools and we'd go single file clearing trails, it sounded like a fire fight for a couple of hours with all of the cottonmouth shootings, they were everywhere, moccasins were tPOS, some were stumbled upon but I saw plenty of them coming at the group, maybe they thought we were prey but they definitely showed aggression in the swamp
Almost everyone I know who has stomped or paddled through enough swampy woods has had a cottonmouth get after them. It's just not that unusual. I don't think any of us believe they're evil, or killer snakes, just that they can be aggressive, and territorial. To believe that's impossible, and anyone who says so is a liar, is to deny nature. Cottonmouths aren't the only animals in the kingdom who are this way by nature.
Snakes have their place in this world, like everything else. I don't have an unnatural fear of them, and don't kill every one I come across. But I never let a venomous snake walk if I can help it.
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Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:31 am to troyt37
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I never let a venomous snake walk
I'd like to see that!
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:33 am to Teague
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If you can find one video of a cottonmouth chasing someone, I'll listen. Surely, since it's so common, it will be easy. I can find lots of videos of them not chasing people. Just like I can find lots of videos with no bigfoot in them.
Have you ever seen a video of a mountain lion chasing someone?
Do you believe that a mountain lion has never charged someone because there are no videos?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:33 am to Teague
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You're not necessarily a liar. You're just wrong. If you can find one video of a cottonmouth chasing someone, I'll listen.
Well come on over. You can whip out your camera and film that shite, and I'll try to shoot it before it gets too close.
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Surely, since it's so common, it will be easy.
Right. Muggings are pretty common as well. How many first person videos of it do you see?
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:34 am to Teague
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Nobody thinks those carp are out to get them.
Are carp venomous and dangerous to children and pets?
I appreciate your knowledge of snakes and their behavior, and I agree that fear of snakes is overblown, but you are going a little far when you tell people things like “cotton mouths don’t charge, even if they will slither right at you if that’s where they need to go”. It adds up to the same thing.
If my dog gets bitten by a venomous snake, it doesn’t make a difference to me whether the snake was coming at him to get away vs coming at him to attack.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:35 am to uway
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Are carp venomous and dangerous to children and pets?
only the ones with lasers on their heads
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:36 am to 777Tiger
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Are carp venomous and dangerous to children and pets?
only the ones with lasers on their heads
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:36 am to Funky Tide 8
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Bro, where did I ever imply that I thought that snakes were "sinister" or "evil"? I never said that it was a "dangerous killer."
I'm not talking about you, specifically. I'm talking about the myth we're discussing. You've seemed fairly rational about it.
As far as the snakes coming toward you, as I mentioned, they're not smart. I don't know exactly why they came toward your canoe. I'm just saying it wasn't to attack you. They may have been moving in a direction that was toward their hiding spot. They may have been curious about the big floating log that didn't register as alive since it gave off no heat to be detected by their heat pits. Or, a million other reasons.
There's nothing you need to do to be prepared. IF one ever tries to climb on your giant floating log (canoe), it's pretty easy to flip them back with a paddle. Once they realize they're in danger, they'll go the other way, or coil up in a defense posture.
Or, you can overreact like most people and flail about with a paddle or gun and try to kill them.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:38 am to Teague
I see what you are saying, and I tend to believe the overall gist of what you are preaching. I generally have always enjoyed your herp posts, you are very knowledgeable of the subject. 
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:41 am to uway
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Are carp venomous and dangerous to children and pets?
I didn't imply they were. I said, they are doing the same thing a carp is doing, which is trying to get away. We can go down a lot of rabbit holes about killing snakes and how much danger you're in if one comes toward you. But, I'd consider it a victory if we could just get people to stop thinking cottonmouths are "aggressive" and "chase people."
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:42 am to Teague
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There's nothing you need to do to be prepared. IF one ever tries to climb on your giant floating log (canoe), it's pretty easy to flip them back with a paddle. Once they realize they're in danger, they'll go the other way, or coil up in a defense posture.
Or, bite the frick out of you.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:44 am to Funky Tide 8
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I generally have always enjoyed ALL OF YOUR posts, you are very knowledgeable on subjects.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 9:56 am to Teague
Posted on 10/3/19 at 10:04 am to Teague
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You're not necessarily a liar. You're just wrong. If you can find one video of a cottonmouth chasing someone, I'll listen. Surely, since it's so common, it will be easy. I can find lots of videos of them not chasing people. Just like I can find lots of videos with no bigfoot in them.
Wow really? Ok next time someone is being charged/chased they should just whip out their phone and start filming. I mean since they will give you plenty of warning and they are so easy to see. I know when i have a posionous snake coming towards me the first thing im thinking is "Phone time"
I'm not saying all posionous snakes charge i've walked over many a copperhead or near a water mocassion/cottonmouth with nothing happening but all i'm saying i have seen them charge when they feel threatened for whatever reason. You may not have had it happen to you but it does happen.This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 10:10 am
Posted on 10/3/19 at 10:15 am to Teague
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But, I'd consider it a victory if we could just get people to stop thinking cottonmouths are "aggressive" and "chase people."
To what end, if they in fact are aggressive, and chase people? That's the part of this I don't understand. It's like saying, "Oh, don't pay any attention to that masked man with a gun. If you leave him alone, he'll leave you alone." Yeah sometimes that may be true, but sometimes you may get your arse shot off.
Aren't you playing your little part in perpetuating the hysteria, when you preach that water moccasins aren't aggressive, and won't come after you? Isn't that pretty much the perfect way to have someone freak the hell out when it actually happens? Because it happens. It has happened to me, at least 3 times that I can remember.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 10:17 am to Funky Tide 8
Change the title to ; I got Cucked by water moccasins a few weeks ago
Posted on 10/3/19 at 10:18 am to Polycarp
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Cucked
you keep using that word.....
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:29 pm to 777Tiger
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Yep. I had one ruin a bow hunt one day. Walking beside a large ditch to get to my tree, blow over stump to the right. I walk right on by, and heard a rustle/rattle. Damn moccasin was right on the other side of the stump, and shook his tail at me as I passed. I just kept walking, hung my stand, and got in the tree. Started thinking about the mile walk back to my truck, if that fricker had bitten me. Probably wouldn’t have made it to the hospital. Sat there about 3 hours and said frick it. I’m not going to sit here and think about dying. Got my shite, and went home. frick a venomous snake.
I would have slowly backed up and then put an arrow through it.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 12:42 pm to FLObserver
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You may not have had it happen to you but it does happen.
Still waiting on that one video.
Ain't it funny how none of the people who aren't afraid to video snakes ever get chased? I mean, thousands of amateur and professional herpetologists go out every day photographing and videoing snakes. None of them ever get chased. It's always Billy Bob from the OT or somebody's uncle without a phone that gets chased. Probably just a coincidence.
*Edit to add:
There are a few snakes, particularly some of the cobras and other elapids from asia and africa that will make short, bluff charges toward a person, when they feel cornered. But, even they don't chase after people. However, I'm talking specifically about our north american snakes. The most you'll get out of them charging, is maybe coming forward a few inches, and you really have to corner and scare them for that to happen.
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 12:56 pm
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