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Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:39 am to pioneerbasketball
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The posters that are anti-union are the ones that were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.
Absolutely not. Just more individualistic and believe I can do better on my own merit than union scale and seniority.
Unions are there to protect low skill workers.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Unions are there to protect low skill workers.
in any type of group you are going to have a small percentage that make it harder for the group to accomplish its objective, but I have to disagree with you on this Rog
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:46 am to pioneerbasketball
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The posters that are anti-union are the ones that were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.
This is the dumbest shite I have read in a while.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:47 am to 777Tiger
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777Tiger
The pilots have a union, correct? Does it cover just the pilots or mechanics, handlers and others too? Not a gotcha question I am genuinely curious.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:50 am to Janky
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Does it cover just the pilots or mechanics, handlers and others too?
pilots have a union, flight attendants have a union, mechanics do too but are severely hamstrung because they also represent the baggage handlers and aircraft cleaners which comprise the majority of their membership
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:52 am to 777Tiger
Gotcha.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:53 am to BuckyCheese
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How about you Ace?
You misspelled "arse".
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:56 am to TigerstuckinMS
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How about you Ace?
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You misspelled "arse".
this is one of the recurring TD topics where there's almost no middle ground
everyone's got strong opinions, and like many TD topics, a lot of those opinions are very mis-informed 
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:57 am to 777Tiger
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this is one of the recurring TD topics where there's almost no middle ground
I think it comes down to whether or not your worldview skews individualist and you rely on yourself and your own wits or collectivist and you rely on the wits of the group.
I've seen an OT math thread. I'll stick with individualist.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 8:00 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:58 am to 777Tiger
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in any type of group you are going to have a small percentage that make it harder for the group to accomplish its objective, but I have to disagree with you on this Rog
Unions negotiate for the masses. If you're below average, great. If you're average, no biggie. If you're above average, you're dragged down to their level.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:58 am to member12
These stupid striking millennials are gonna go back to work fast when they realize they can’t go to the doctor every day for free anymore
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:58 am to momentoftruth87
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Taught by teachers who belong to a union?
No. I prefer private schools. Less SJW indoctrination.
Unions dominate public education and government. Both of which are incredibly corrupt and inefficient. The correlation is obvious.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:59 am to pioneerbasketball
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The posters that are pro-union are the ones that were born with their heads stuck in their asses.
Tell us what the UAW president makes for an annual salary. When was the last time a UAW president was raided by the FBI and IRS?
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:59 am to 777Tiger
When was the last time you guys had a strike? I am wondering if skill level needed to do a job has any correlation to frequency of strikes? For example, pilot vs. cleaner or machinist vs. assembly line worker.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:04 am to Janky
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When was the last time you guys had a strike?
we went on strike for 7 minutes in 97
it was pre-arranged, Clinton stepped in and said to us "there, you've made your point but I'm not going to let you shut down US air travel" and to the company "get you head out of your arse and get back to the negotiating table" quote:
I am wondering if skill level needed to do a job has any correlation to frequency of strikes?
haven't seen that in the US but in Europe they'll strike if you look at them wrong
it's usually more like a sit in for a few hours than a prolonged strike thoughPosted on 9/19/19 at 8:06 am to 777Tiger
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we went on strike for 7 minutes in 97
So, y'all went on strike during your pre-flight?
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haven't seen that in the US
I guess what I am getting at is do the unionized companies understand the value of its highly skilled workers and treat them fairly? Meanwhile, it also recognizes that putting a screw in a hole and turning a screwdriver doesn't warrant $63/hour. I am done arguing as my position is clear on the UAW. I am just trying to understand the thought process behind it all.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 8:11 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:12 am to 777Tiger
That's what I thought the deal was with you guys and maybe railroads, if I remember right. Strike actions by employees of industries that can bring the country to its knees through a strike is illegal except in very narrow circumstances, so the president steps in and orders the strike to end or else.
The air traffic controllers union found out what happens when you strike and run afoul of the law and the legal demands of the government.
Hint: It doesn't exist anymore because Reagan fired them all and broke the union's back, leading to its decertification even though they publicly backed Reagan against Carter in the 1980 election. Interesting trivia: Who was the only U.S. president to serve as head of a labor union?
The air traffic controllers union found out what happens when you strike and run afoul of the law and the legal demands of the government.
Hint: It doesn't exist anymore because Reagan fired them all and broke the union's back, leading to its decertification even though they publicly backed Reagan against Carter in the 1980 election. Interesting trivia: Who was the only U.S. president to serve as head of a labor union?
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 8:17 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:13 am to Janky
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So, y'all went on strike during your pre-flight?
it was a staged strike at midnight at the end of a cooling off period, we were at a huge satellite teleconference, and when it was announced(even though we had a pretty good idea that Clinton was going to intervene,) it wasn't a really good feeling, was very similar to when we were tapped on the shoulder and told "guess what, we have this little thing over here called Desert Storm and we're going to need your services for a bit"
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:17 am to TigerstuckinMS
I'm looking at him in your post.
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