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re: FYI to the NBR community leaders & city officials devoting so much time on Alton Sterling

Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:33 pm to
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:33 pm to
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It took 40 years to get here, it may take longer to solve it.

The only difference is that now we're not allowed to talk about it.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:37 pm to
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we're not allowed to talk about it.


That's the sad part, we can't talk about how roughly 5% of EBR is holding the other 95% hostage.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76413 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:45 pm to
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The only difference is that now we're not allowed to talk about it.



I think race relations can be talked about in this country. I just think both sides do a poor job of understanding where the other is coming from and spend more time attacking and defending than actually discussing.

If you can't argue either side then there is probably work to be done to really understand the whole scope.
This post was edited on 9/11/17 at 4:47 pm
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:51 pm to
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Well, wouldn't crime shift to the location they "pushed" the criminals out?

Yep. They all moved to Baton Rouge.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:57 pm to
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I think race relations can be talked about in this country. I just think both sides do a poor job of understanding where the other is coming from and spend more time attacking and defending than actually discussing.

If you can't argue either side then there is probably work to be done to really understand the whole scope.

I disagree.

When Sam Harris can't even have a conversation about race or religion without being called a bigot, we're in trouble. He's about the most rational, fact-based person you'll find but he's been maligned for having "real" conversations.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76602 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 4:59 pm to
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When Sam Harris can't even have a conversation about race or religion without being called a bigot, we're in trouble. He's about the most rational, fact-based person you'll find but he's been maligned for having "real" conversations.
This. It appears to be beyond the point where you can even have a conversation about this anymore.

Hell, blacks who try to address the issues are called Uncle Toms and worse.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76413 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:09 pm to
I didn't say their wouldn't be criticism. I don't think the minority of criticism and opinions should be taken as the majority view.

Even Mother Teresa had her critics.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:17 pm to
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I didn't say their wouldn't be criticism. I don't think the minority of criticism and opinions should be taken as the majority view.

Even Mother Teresa had her critics.

The issue isn't the criticism itself but rather who they're criticizing and who is doing the criticizing.

Rational people like him are being called "alt-right" and being dismissed by main stream figures who influence popular belief. That's a huge problem when prominent social figures are demonizing a person like that - especially in the social media world of today.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:23 pm to
If you fear criticism then you should never speak out.

Gravy again is a great example of someone who uses that to his advantage. Opposition calls him a race baiter and everything else. It just fuels his fire, it proves his point to the people following him.

You aren't going to win his "ignorant masses" over trying to educate them.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:31 pm to
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If you fear criticism then you should never speak out.

Gravy again is a great example of someone who uses that to his advantage. Opposition calls him a race baiter and everything else. It just fuels his fire, it proves his point to the people following him.

You aren't going to win his "ignorant masses" over trying to educate them.

I applaud your idealism, but I'm afraid the uneducated, ignorant, and easily manipulated masses are in the majority. They love to be told they're a victim and if someone dares challenge that view, they pounce. The problem is that we have now placed inherent value on victimhood. The more of a victim you are, the more beyond reproach you become. Because of this, people will fight tooth and nail to keep their victimhood.

We have placed blacks at the top of this hierarchy, therefore any criticisms of their culture will be deemed as hate speech of the highest order because it suggests that they may be a victim of themselves and not the white male socioeconomic plantation they've been told is to blame.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76413 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:39 pm to
If that's the opinion you hold then I see why you have given up.

Personally, I live in a city with a white mayor, a state with a white governor and a country with a white President. The latter of those espousing ideals that are anything but victimhood.

The gap between me (top 5% earner) and the average and bottom wage earners is growing at a massive pace and only looks to get larger as my tax burden looks to fall even more than it has in the past decade+.

I see it different, but I do agree more can be done to eliminate problems that do not plague me.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:43 pm to
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Personally, I live in a city with a white mayor, a state with a white governor and a country with a white President. The latter of those espousing ideals that are anything but victimhood.

And a few years ago I lived in a city with a black mayor, a state with a first generation Indian governor, and a black president.

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The gap between me (top 5% earner) and the average and bottom wage earners is growing at a massive pace and only looks to get larger as my tax burden looks to fall even more than it has in the past decade+.

The local tax burden has increased substantially in the local area.

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I see it different, but I do agree more can be done to eliminate problems that do not plague me.


These problems do not plague me either, but I'm tired of being the whipping boy for black on black crime.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38183 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:46 pm to
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I don't know if the current picture I see of the metro council is correct, but it is more than half white. I understand that doesn't equate people being on the "white side," but it makes me doubt that it is impossible.



Freiberg doesn't count. She is with Chauna as far as I'm concerned.

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Gravy Chambers gets lots of shite here, rightfully so. It shows that a non-politician can affect change in the community though.



He doesn't change a single thing other than his mother's grocery bill. Facebook =/= Change
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38183 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:48 pm to
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I think race relations can be talked about in this country. I just think both sides do a poor job of understanding where the other is coming from and spend more time attacking and defending than actually discussing.

If you can't argue either side then there is probably work to be done to really understand the whole scope.



There is one group in this country that must change, and it isn't white people.

Now go say that at a city council meeting and try to get to your car without being shot.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76413 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:53 pm to
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There is one group in this country that must change, and it isn't white people.





That doesn't sound racists at all
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38183 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:57 pm to
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That doesn't sound racists at all


Alright. Go look in The Advocate crime briefs. Go read about the last dozen or so murders. There is a common element among them all.

I am in no way saying all black people are criminals, but the vast majority of Baton Rouge's problems are caused by black criminals.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76413 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 6:04 pm to
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I am in no way saying all black people are criminals, but the vast majority of Baton Rouge's problems are caused by black criminals.



If only they were white man, everything would be alright.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138140 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 6:06 pm to
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If only they were white man, everything would be alright.

If we're speaking in terms of statistics, that would be correct.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76413 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 6:14 pm to
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If we're speaking in terms of statistics, that would be correct.



Didn't you oppose me when I said I was safe in NOLA because I was white?
Posted by upgrayedd
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138140 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 6:17 pm to
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Didn't you oppose me when I said I was safe in NOLA because I was white?

No I opposed you when you opined that your white skin gave you magical powers that prevented black dudes from hurting you.
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