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re: Frisco, TX track meet stabbing: 1 student killed, another charged with murder

Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
42125 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:15 pm to
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Would have zero effect on evoking stand your ground


You are incorrect. Texas law:

SUBCHAPTER C. PROTECTION OF PERSONS

Sec. 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force. The actor's belief that the force was immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;
(B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or
(C) was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery;
(2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and
(3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.
(b) The use of force against another is not justified:
(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;
(2) to resist an arrest or search that the actor knows is being made by a peace officer, or by a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction, even though the arrest or search is unlawful, unless the resistance is justified under Subsection (c);
(3) if the actor consented to the exact force used or attempted by the other;
(4) if the actor provoked the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force, unless:
(A) the actor abandons the encounter, or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely abandon the encounter; and
(B) the other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful force against the actor; or
(5) if the actor sought an explanation from or discussion with the other person concerning the actor's differences with the other person while the actor was:
(A) carrying a weapon in violation of Section 46.02; or
(B) possessing or transporting a weapon in violation of Section 46.05.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
42125 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:16 pm to
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Yeah, there biggest problem is teen suicides


HUGE issue since 2020.

1 18 year old killed his parents in 2016.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 1:19 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104861 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:17 pm to
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You are incorrect
Please show me

In Texas, even if you're carrying a gun illegally on school grounds and are attacked, you can still use self-defense, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it's immediately necessary to protect yourself from imminent harm, as long as you weren't provoking the attack or engaged in criminal activity

Which is common sense.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
70083 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:18 pm to
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Yeah, there biggest problem is teen suicides and teens who kill their parents.


is the point of your existence in this thread to shite on the city of Frisco?
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
23964 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:18 pm to
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You're forgetting about proportionality.


I'm not saying anything, just pointed out that Texas has the Stand My Ground Law.

I do see your point.

Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
42125 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:19 pm to
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was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104861 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:21 pm to
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LSUGrrrl
Look you are way wrong and your thought is actually crazy

You truly think that if you get attacked, it wouldn’t be legal to use your weapon as defense because you are illegally carrying on school ground?

They can charge you for the weapon being carried on school grounds but it 100% can still be used as self defense or stand your ground
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 1:22 pm
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
42125 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:22 pm to
Texas Castle Doctrine doesn’t cover you if you are committing an illegal act.
Possession of a knife on school grounds during a sanctioned school event is a 3rd degree felony. And that doesn’t even get into proportionality.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
23431 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:23 pm to
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The jury pool in this here county isn't likely to show even an ounce of mercy.


The jury pool will be key, but Frisco has a huge population now of Asian/Indian. It is going to depend on the makeup of the jury, how are they going to view it. The facts have to come out and do they buy into the "stand your ground" view.

If they move it out of Frisco to the county level in McKinney courthouse. He is going to jail for a long time.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
42125 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:23 pm to
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They can charge you for the weapon being carried on school grounds but it 100% can still be used as self defense or stand your ground


Depends on what/how they charge the crime and who’s sitting in the jury box, doesn’t it?
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
42125 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:25 pm to
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The jury pool will be key, but Frisco has a huge population now of Asian/Indian. It is going to depend on the makeup of the jury, how are they going to view it. The facts have to come out and do they buy into the "stand your ground" view.

If they move it out of Frisco to the county level in McKinney courthouse. He is going to jail for a long time.


Frisco or McKinney doesn’t matter. Jury isn’t going to let this slide. Asian/Indian population may have less patience than the white population here.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104861 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:25 pm to
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they move it out of Frisco to the county level in McKinney courthouse. He is going to jail for a long time.
How can you say that right now?

IF he was getting beat up, I would think Texas jurors of all people would be for defending yourself with all means necessary

If he wasn’t I would also trust Texas jurors to rightfully fry him
Posted by 214
Geaux Tigers
Member since Mar 2025
4037 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:25 pm to
He's been charged with first degree murder.

He can plead self-defense, sure.

The jury will decide.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104861 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:26 pm to
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He's been charged with first degree murder.
And if the original story is true I hope he is convicted and fried
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
117343 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:26 pm to
Couldn’t this also be in Denton County? If so, he’s going to fry.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
145159 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:27 pm to
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You are incorrect. Texas law:
what citation am I looking at here that verifies what you're stating?
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
42125 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:27 pm to
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IF he was getting beat up


That’s not the story. He wasn’t getting pummeled into the ground. He was punched but allegedly stabbed the guy before he got his arse beat.
Posted by 214
Geaux Tigers
Member since Mar 2025
4037 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:27 pm to
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I would think Texas jurors of all people would be for defending yourself with all means necessary
Texas jurors will decide based on what's best for their children and community.

We don't want kids thinking it's okay to bring weapons to school.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
42125 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:27 pm to
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Couldn’t this also be in Denton County? If so, he’s going to fry.


I believe the school is in Collin County which may be worse. He won’t fry but there will be no mercy.
Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
Member since Jul 2021
2899 posts
Posted on 4/3/25 at 1:28 pm to
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Based on what? My son graduates next month and has been in FISD since kindergarten. I was on the PTA board for a decade. I am unaware of these problems you’re talking about.


Rich, white people problems. Teens with depression. Those who commit suicide. And those who kill their parents.

Exhibit A

Exhibit B
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