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re: For those of you who work for a company that mandated the vaccine. What did you do?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 6:30 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 9/10/21 at 6:30 pm to I B Freeman
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Employer ought to fire any employee who comes to work positive with COVID if they refused incentives for vaccinations.
What about those who test positive for COVID, but are vaccinated?
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Posted on 9/10/21 at 10:53 pm to 0x15E
I am standing my ground. There are multi-million dollar contracts that depend on my work.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 6:57 am to madmaxvol
Absolutely nothing.. since I have been unvaccinated and taking vitamins C & D with zinc since before the pandemic. I flew on 28 flights last year and 4 helicopters amongst 4 countries. It’s funny how scared y’all were last year while I was taking $90 flights all over the country.
edit: I also quit my job last month when they even hinted at a mandate and found a much better and higher paying job with a smaller company who thinks like I do in Austin, Texas. The true land of the free and home of the brave. Mandates are banned here and there’s a bill in the house banning mandates from employers right now. Abortion is illegal. People are happy and thriving. No masks. People get sick. It goes away after 2 days or the doctors treat accordingly. I have yet to meet someone who even knows someone who died unlike in New Orleans where it seemed like every one did. Ida did a number on those vaccine passports I see. Glad I left 2 months ago.
edit: I also quit my job last month when they even hinted at a mandate and found a much better and higher paying job with a smaller company who thinks like I do in Austin, Texas. The true land of the free and home of the brave. Mandates are banned here and there’s a bill in the house banning mandates from employers right now. Abortion is illegal. People are happy and thriving. No masks. People get sick. It goes away after 2 days or the doctors treat accordingly. I have yet to meet someone who even knows someone who died unlike in New Orleans where it seemed like every one did. Ida did a number on those vaccine passports I see. Glad I left 2 months ago.
This post was edited on 9/11/21 at 7:02 am
Posted on 9/11/21 at 8:01 am to 0x15E
People will still smoke but not get a vaccine. People are stupid.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 8:04 am to 0x15E
quote:Just get the weekly Covid test.
Did you just suck it up and get the shot? Or did you say frick it and quit?
Only takes 15 minutes. Can do it on Lunch break
Posted on 9/11/21 at 8:06 am to TaderSalad
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Make em fire you, and find an attorney.
I may need to tighten up my resume for this plethora of job opening about to open up
Posted on 9/11/21 at 8:07 am to SocialDelinquent
Ok I’ll bite. What university is studying this?
Anecdotal online stories are exactly that - anecdotal (which typically means some unique one-off situation, rather than a discernible pattern or frequent occurrence) and they are 99.9999% unsubstantiated.
I don’t know your friends or their lifestyles or their choices or their genetics or anything else. You probably don’t know all of that either. But you’ve decided to rally behind them to state unequivocally that the vaccine, and no other factor, has led to a health condition that you yourself admit she hasn’t reported to her physician.
I’d really like to believe you but I have a lot of trouble siding with someone whose main source for information is “the internet” rather than cited and credible sources.
Anecdotal online stories are exactly that - anecdotal (which typically means some unique one-off situation, rather than a discernible pattern or frequent occurrence) and they are 99.9999% unsubstantiated.
I don’t know your friends or their lifestyles or their choices or their genetics or anything else. You probably don’t know all of that either. But you’ve decided to rally behind them to state unequivocally that the vaccine, and no other factor, has led to a health condition that you yourself admit she hasn’t reported to her physician.
I’d really like to believe you but I have a lot of trouble siding with someone whose main source for information is “the internet” rather than cited and credible sources.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 8:20 am to SocialDelinquent
If you claim to have a side effect, they say you are a racist MAGAtard insurrectionist.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 8:21 am to eitek1
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You're absolutely correct. Let's use your numbers for my example. I think it's fair to safely assume that of those 2.8 million doses they didn't study every single person that had myocarditis so I'm going to fudge the numbers a bit for my example.
Let's also add Guillain-Barre syndrome which is a known side effect of the vaccine, and how about Bells Palsy, let's throw that in there too and those are only the ones I'm aware of there are likely more. I'll just say it's the same incidence rate that you mentioned for each since it's no big deal.
Tiger stadium holds 102k people. They are giving a shot to every one there. 75% of the folks will receive 100 dollars for getting the shot. 25% will not receive any benefit but if they get the shot will make the other 75% feel better. Oh... By the Way, 3 people that are in the stadium are walking away with a life altering illnesses caused by taking the shot.
You still going to play "Russian roulette" with those odds for absolutely no benefit?
Now do the numbers using the background rates for those events and then compare them to the rates post-inoculation.
You have to consider this to have any chance at being accurate. When you do you are going to find the connection you are drawing looks more like a temporal correlation than causation.
With your simplified method, you could just as easily connected the vaccine to winning the lottery or having one's car run out of gas.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 9:43 am to DrEdgeLSU
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You're absolutely correct. Let's use your numbers for my example. I think it's fair to safely assume that of those 2.8 million doses they didn't study every single person that had myocarditis so I'm going to fudge the numbers a bit for my example.
Let's also add Guillain-Barre syndrome which is a known side effect of the vaccine, and how about Bells Palsy, let's throw that in there too and those are only the ones I'm aware of there are likely more. I'll just say it's the same incidence rate that you mentioned for each since it's no big deal.
Tiger stadium holds 102k people. They are giving a shot to every one there. 75% of the folks will receive 100 dollars for getting the shot. 25% will not receive any benefit but if they get the shot will make the other 75% feel better. Oh... By the Way, 3 people that are in the stadium are walking away with a life altering illnesses caused by taking the shot.
You still going to play "Russian roulette" with those odds for absolutely no benefit?
I got them from you...
If 2,800,000 people got the shot and 23 of them got myocarditis, that means 1 out of every 121,000 people that got the shot, got Myocarditis. I fudged a but because not everyone that got myocarditis was likely in the study.
The seating capacity of Tiger statdium is 102,000 people. It's a quantitiy most here can visualize. Also, my original post said those that have had COVID and have recovered are immune and get no benefit. I never said the vaccine wasn't effective, the effectiveness is just lost on those that have recovered.
Also, let's not lose site that my orignial response to your post was becasuse you said negative side effects of the vaccine were anectdotal at best. This is clearly not true. I presented a credible study and you started complaining about my analogy. Nice diversion.
You're absolutely correct. Let's use your numbers for my example. I think it's fair to safely assume that of those 2.8 million doses they didn't study every single person that had myocarditis so I'm going to fudge the numbers a bit for my example.
Let's also add Guillain-Barre syndrome which is a known side effect of the vaccine, and how about Bells Palsy, let's throw that in there too and those are only the ones I'm aware of there are likely more. I'll just say it's the same incidence rate that you mentioned for each since it's no big deal.
Tiger stadium holds 102k people. They are giving a shot to every one there. 75% of the folks will receive 100 dollars for getting the shot. 25% will not receive any benefit but if they get the shot will make the other 75% feel better. Oh... By the Way, 3 people that are in the stadium are walking away with a life altering illnesses caused by taking the shot.
You still going to play "Russian roulette" with those odds for absolutely no benefit?
quote:
Where are you getting these weird percentages and magnitudes?
I got them from you...
If 2,800,000 people got the shot and 23 of them got myocarditis, that means 1 out of every 121,000 people that got the shot, got Myocarditis. I fudged a but because not everyone that got myocarditis was likely in the study.
The seating capacity of Tiger statdium is 102,000 people. It's a quantitiy most here can visualize. Also, my original post said those that have had COVID and have recovered are immune and get no benefit. I never said the vaccine wasn't effective, the effectiveness is just lost on those that have recovered.
Also, let's not lose site that my orignial response to your post was becasuse you said negative side effects of the vaccine were anectdotal at best. This is clearly not true. I presented a credible study and you started complaining about my analogy. Nice diversion.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 9:50 am to Obtuse1
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Now do the numbers using the background rates for those events and then compare them to the rates post-inoculation.
You have to consider this to have any chance at being accurate. When you do you are going to find the connection you are drawing looks more like a temporal correlation than causation.
With your simplified method, you could just as easily connected the vaccine to winning the lottery or having one's car run out of gas.
This is true but since Myocarditis is believed to be caused by a viral infection and the folks in the study had an onset within 4 days of getting the shot I think the correlation is much stronger.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 10:06 am to eitek1
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Also, let's not lose site that my orignial response to your post was becasuse you said negative side effects of the vaccine were anectdotal at best. This is clearly not true. I presented a credible study and you started complaining about my analogy. Nice diversion.
Two things:
1) If you read my post you’ll see that I was referring to the magnitudes of benefit vs cost. You claim that the upside of the shot is at best $100 while the downside is a life altering illness. You aren’t being honest about the upside for at least as many people for whom the side effects have been documented.
2) When referring to anecdotal side effects I was replying to someone else about ear ringing and menstrual issues, not myocarditis. I have read about myocarditis and G-B and Bell’s palsy and believe in the seriousness of those conditions and am aware that vaccines of all shapes and sizes for all diseases have been linked to these things even if the chances are infinitesimal.
So I still have issues with your analogy because you are intentionally understating the benefits for at least a handful of “winners.”
Posted on 9/11/21 at 10:08 am to eitek1
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This is true but since Myocarditis is believed to be caused by a viral infection and the folks in the study had an onset within 4 days of getting the shot I think the correlation is much stronger.
Wait, you think people getting myocarditis are being virally infected with the vaccine itself?
Ok….
Posted on 9/11/21 at 10:23 am to eitek1
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This is true but since Myocarditis is believed to be caused by a viral infection and the folks in the study had an onset within 4 days of getting the shot I think the correlation is much stronger.
Correlation is irrelevant only causation is of consequence. Correlation only suggests one look deeper.
In the end, when correlated events are at or below background rates it bears serious scrutiny to connect causation even when you might be able to explain causation through mechanistic means.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 10:31 am to Roaad
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Just get the weekly Covid test.
Not an option
Posted on 9/11/21 at 10:52 am to DrEdgeLSU
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Ok I’ll bite. What university is studying this?
Anecdotal online stories are exactly that - anecdotal (which typically means some unique one-off situation, rather than a discernible pattern or frequent occurrence) and they are 99.9999% unsubstantiated.
I don’t know your friends or their lifestyles or their choices or their genetics or anything else. You probably don’t know all of that either. But you’ve decided to rally behind them to state unequivocally that the vaccine, and no other factor, has led to a health condition that you yourself admit she hasn’t reported to her physician.
I’d really like to believe you but I have a lot of trouble siding with someone whose main source for information is “the internet” rather than cited and credible sources.
Have you done any research on the information presented to you? Do you think all medicines or medical procedures are one size fits all? It sure seems like it. It is clear COVID and the vaccine effect people differently but you are hell-bent on pushing the vaccine on healthy people when I have people I know that are having problems, people online are having problems, and now Harvard is studying it LINK. You are a horrible, lazy, condescending, know it all, incompetent doctor and need to have your shite revoked.
Once again, the vaccine isn't worth it to young and health people, some who have gotten over COVID just fine, when bullshite unexplained and problems like these occur. You people act like you know everything about the vaccine but haven't even hear of, refuse to research, and dismiss any problems with the vaccine. The medical field is slow to report and study everything and they are especially slow to report anything negative about the vaccine.
Imagine politicians, doctors, and your employer basically forcing a vaccine on someone you love who only has minor symptoms from COVID and they get UNEXPLAINED, UNFIXABLE problems from the vaccine and then doctors say "we don't know anything about that", " we don't know why it is happening or how to fix it", "we didn't force you to get it", "we don't believe you", or "oh well." frick that shite man. Young, healthy people should have it even have to think about dealing with shite like that when all they got was a head cold from COVID and now they have natural immunity.
They are real problems and the fact that 2 of the maybe 10 that I know that have been vaccinated got these problems is concerning especially when they are young healthy nurses of reproductive age. frick you and frick your flu man.
This post was edited on 9/11/21 at 11:02 am
Posted on 9/11/21 at 11:10 am to CougarBait
All you people claiming we have all this data now from the millions of people who have been vaccinated are grossly mistaken. In the last two weeks alone there have been 3 men who my wife administered the vaccine to that now have neurological issues. All three men were healthy and in their 30’s/40’s. My wife went out of her way to try and find a place to report this data only to find dead ends. Someone at La Dept of Health said they would get back in touch with her. Nothing yet.
I highly doubt that these were 3 isolated instances. How many more are out there? Who is collecting this data? Fact is they don’t want this data so they can continue to manufacture their own.
I highly doubt that these were 3 isolated instances. How many more are out there? Who is collecting this data? Fact is they don’t want this data so they can continue to manufacture their own.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 11:14 am to 0x15E
No word from mine yet but I’m not sweating it. I can be gainfully self employed with little effort
Posted on 9/11/21 at 11:16 am to Ry_garou
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All you people claiming we have all this data now from the millions of people who have been vaccinated are grossly mistaken. In the last two weeks alone there have been 3 men who my wife administered the vaccine to that now have neurological issues. All three men were healthy and in their 30’s/40’s. My wife went out of her way to try and find a place to report this data only to find dead ends. Someone at La Dept of Health said they would get back in touch with her. Nothing yet. I highly doubt that these were 3 isolated instances. How many more are out there? Who is collecting this data? Fact is they don’t want this data so they can continue to manufacture their own.
And the sad thing is, these "doctors" don't care. Look how close-minded and defensive the "doctor" is in this thread. I would hate to have him working on me. Instead of researching the problems we are presenting, he is blaming the victim.
Both girls I know have anxiety over their issues, regret getting the vaccine, and are frightened over the what the booster shot may bring if they are forced to get it. ITS JUST NOT WORTH IT FOR YOUNG HEALTHY PEOPLE WHO CAN OR HAVE HANDLED COVID JUST FINE...but everyone must get the vaccine no matter what.
Posted on 9/11/21 at 11:17 am to SocialDelinquent
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SocialDelinquent
You seem angry.
Signed,
A guy with the letters Dr in his name that isn’t a Dr
PS - tell your friend to go to their doctor.
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