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re: First Time Buying a House

Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:01 pm to
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:01 pm to
I don't have a choice about the 20% on my new house because I'm building it and it's a jumbo
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:04 pm to
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For me it depends on your income and the total cost of the house. 5% down on a 175k house isn't terrible. You can keep saving and pay down more equity over the first few years.

5% on a 400k house is probably not good unless your income and ability to keep saving is legit.


This is kind of what I stated earlier. On the lower end of the pricing spectrum, I think there is some wiggle room for sure to not put down 20%. The risk in regards to the amount is lower, the note is going to be very competitive with even the lower end of rent, etc.. But once you get to the point that you are buying more house than you "need" (granite counter tops, nicest neighborhood, etc.), and having to justify dipping under 20% to do so, you are screwing up in my opinion. Because if you are doing this at age ~25, you can set yourself up a lot better and truly be able to afford it at ~30 by scaling back a bit on your first home.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:05 pm to
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it was the "if you can't put 20% down, you can't afford the house" line that got all the jimmies rustled



Exactly.
Posted by JaDave3
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:08 pm to
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41903 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:09 pm to
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My definitive statement is that if both choices are feasible, you should put down the 20% instead of just 3 or 5%.

If 20% is not feasible, then you need to really take a look at your decision.



the point im arguing is that if most of your savings goes towards that 20% then why not only put down 5% and live a much more enjoyable life.

and if you don't have 20% you can still buy a damn house. Unless mommy and daddy hooked you up, when you come out of college you don't have a ton of savings. Add car payments and student loans and you probably won't be saving a shite ton each month. If you have a good job there is no reason not to be able to afford a nice house with a manageable note. I had no problem paying a monthly note of $1500 with 3.5% down when I bought my house. It would have been impossible to save 20% and pay an $1100 note
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
475924 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:11 pm to
i love these threads

i found out 2 days ago a house across the street (run down but salvageable) could be had for $80k

good, emerging neighborhood across the street from my bff (where i live now). could spend 2 years living in it fixing it up and doing work myself and sell it for double when the housing prices go insane

i could easily put down $15k of that 80...maybe even 30

threads like this always get my mind going
Posted by JaDave3
Member since Jan 2013
9 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:13 pm to
What are the pros and cons to renting versus buying?
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41903 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:15 pm to
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i could easily put down $15k of that 80...maybe even 30


so what do you gain when you double $60,000 after selling it for 2 years. couldn't you say the same if you put down 5% and used the 10,000 you saved from the down payment to fix up the house?
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:20 pm to
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so what do you gain when you double $60,000 after selling it for 2 years. couldn't you say the same if you put down 5% and used the 10,000 you saved from the down payment to fix up the house?


Lower interest rate for the year he holds. Possibly better terms on his loan. If it's an investment and he has the cash to put down, no reason not to put down more. Save that interest.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
475924 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:21 pm to
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so what do you gain when you double $60,000 after selling it for 2 years.

biggest thing is you're not taxed on the gains

quote:

couldn't you say the same if you put down 5% and used the 10,000 you saved from the down payment to fix up the house?

i could do this. i was just thinking about what i could invest to keep the payment low (for month-to-month living)

*ETA: i'm no expert. i love reading these threads for the discussion
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 4:26 pm
Posted by H.M. Murdock
B.A.'s Van
Member since Feb 2013
2113 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:27 pm to
Guys like CETiger and Solomon who have a hard time beliving in 20% down and a note that allows one to max savings contributions are the fools who also will rely on social security payments later in life. Are they young? Inexperienced? Foolish? All three?
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:28 pm to
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Which is most of the country.



Some, not most
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91836 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:41 pm to
Perfect example, let's use that. McFun couple will be paying $1950/month if the put down 3.5% on a $300k house at 4% after you include PMI, insurance, and taxes at National averages.

In 2 years they would have built $11,250 in equity despite paying over $46,750 in payments - not counting the original down payment of $10,500. They would also have piled up $36k in the bank at $1500/month savings.

Assuming they rent while they saved up the 20% for the next 2 years (if they can buy the house with 3.5% down I'm going to assume they have the $10,500 to start in both scenarios), they'd have no equity in any home but would have $58,500 in the bank - $10,500 to start and $48,000 saved.

The first route would give them $57,750 in savings and equity and the second round would give them $58,500 in savings and equity. Not only that, but putting the 20% down at that point would make their monthly note $1550/month instead of the $1950 they're paying to start out.

Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
12049 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:46 pm to
It would be idiotic of me to save up 20% down on a house while throwing money away at rent. At least I will build equity in buying a house as opposed to renting.
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
12049 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:48 pm to
Why does the McFun couple have to buy a $300k house? That's just stupid in Louisiana for a young first time homebuyer.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91836 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:49 pm to
People should ask themselves this - if buying a home with little to no down was such a fool proof idea, why not buy 2, or 3, or 10. There are significant risks in real estate that people ignore all the time. I honestly don't get it.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91836 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:51 pm to
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Why does the McFun couple have to buy a $300k house? Th


It was his example, not mine.

More importantly, why do they have to pay $1,500 rent?!?
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:53 pm to
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Why does the McFun couple have to buy a $300k house?


Because he was using the point that some of us made...300K may be the average "starter home" price where you live at
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
12049 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:57 pm to
Ahh I see now.
$300k for Baton Rouge gets you a very nice house. That's not exactly a starter home here, you're probably talking under $180k for a good starter home in or around BR.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74413 posts
Posted on 1/20/16 at 5:00 pm to
You guys have a misconception of "starter home". $300k isn't a starter home.

A starter home usually means you're sacrificing your ideal location or sized house for something you can generally afford without worries

In New Orleans case, you go a few miles into the burbs to start out. If you have aspirations to live in a starter home in NOLA proper, you're living in a town house or a small fixer upper.
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