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re: Family releases video of son dying in police custody *GRAPHIC & NSFW*
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:59 pm to Bleeding purple
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:59 pm to Bleeding purple
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So, break traffic law----get ticket
Fail to bay ticket-----get ticket
Fail to pay that ticket-----revoke license
1 Drive with no license and fail to pay tickets-----add to fine owed and revoke already revoked license
2Again drive with no license and fail to pay tickets-----add to fine owed and revoke already revoked license
3Again drive with no license and fail to pay tickets-----add to fine owed and revoke already revoked license but this time for life.
Sure. Put on credit report, take out of fed or state tax returns.
The status quo works for people who can't think outside the box. We've systematically created millions of dependent, institutionalized people by government action. Government seems to be the god, common sense out the window.
People bitch about people being dependent on the government, yet support the policies that create that dependency.
What did the State get out of this guys 30 day incarceration?
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Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:02 pm to Warfarer
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that the system is broken.
It is.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
so people breaking the law and going to jail means that the system is broken? How do these charts show me that the system is broken at all? All it shows is that more people have been jailed since the war on drugs, which are illegal no matter how much you argue they shouldn't be.
You know what those other countries do rather than jail people that we refuse to? Punish people. Compare crime rates between the US and Singapore where they flog people for crime. If we would stop our bullshite and punish people quickly and be done with it, our crime would drop exponentially but this country is full of enlightened pussies.
Let me help you with that.
You know what those other countries do rather than jail people that we refuse to? Punish people. Compare crime rates between the US and Singapore where they flog people for crime. If we would stop our bullshite and punish people quickly and be done with it, our crime would drop exponentially but this country is full of enlightened pussies.
Let me help you with that.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:12 pm to Warfarer
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so people breaking the law and going to jail means that the system is broken?
When you have so many laws that 100% of your population breaks the laws, you don't have a problem with your citizenry. You have a problem with your government.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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When you have so many laws that 100% of your population breaks the laws,
as in? If you say a traffic stop then you are an idiot. There is a line that they have to draw. If you won't accept your punishment then the punishment grows. if you get a traffic ticket and refuse to pay it or show up for court, then yeah, go to jail.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Sure. Put on credit report, take out of fed or state tax returns
drug addict with no job so none of that would make a bit of difference. Further if it did/would make a difference you have now created a purchasing disparity that will make that person more likely to need government assistance.
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The status quo works for people who can't think outside the box. We've systematically created millions of dependent, institutionalized people by government action. Government seems to be the god, common sense out the window
I completely agree. I have no troubles thinking outside of the box. Bring back labor camps. Get rid of the luxuries, like TV, air conditioning, expensive food, and make prisons self sustaining. Remove the variance in sentencing and make sentences uniform and mandatory regardless of age, race, creed based solely on the crime found guilty of and number of times having committed that offense. Increase the application of the death penalty for violent offenders especially those that are repeat offenders. Immediately terminate all life sentences by terminating those inmates. Overhaul EMTALA to exclude self induced substance related health issues and legalize all drugs. Make the sale of these drugs only legal at established licensed retailers and place a high sales tax and business tax on those establishments.
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People bitch about people being dependent on the government, yet support the policies that create that dependency
some do but don't go placing me in that group.
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What did the State get out of this guys 30 day incarceration?
30 days of him not being a menace to society, driving under the influence of opioids and two sedatives. And a whopping law suit.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I also love graphs that do not standardize for various demographics yet imply a conclusion.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:28 pm to Warfarer
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as in? If you say a traffic stop then you are an idiot.
Oh, ok. These little laws everyone breaks don't count. Unfortunate for the guy in the OP
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There is a line that they have to draw. If you won't accept your punishment then the punishment grows. if you get a traffic ticket and refuse to pay it or show up for court, then yeah, go to jail.
You would thrive in a totalitarian state. Power to the State!
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:34 pm to Bleeding purple
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I also love graphs that do not standardize for various demographics yet imply a conclusion.
Ah
The implied conclusion is universally accepted. We live in a police state.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Fine them like any other traffic violation. Three strikes you lose it for life.
If they aren't paying their fines and still driving under a revoked license what in the hell makes you think this will matter to them?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:37 pm to Bleeding purple
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30 days of him not being a menace to society, driving under the influence of opioids and two sedatives. And a whopping law suit.
Our propensity to incarcerate costs more money than alternative sentencing. Including paying for the dependents of those incarcerated, and caring for the incarcerated long after they leave prison or jail.
I'm a small govt guy. I don't trust the government to do the right thing. I have no doubt the prison industrial complex is manufactured.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Oh, ok. These little laws everyone breaks don't count. Unfortunate for the guy in the OP
The guy was punished by a fine the first time, he refused to pay it. What do you do to someone that doesn't give a shite that you fined him and tried to punish him to begin with?
I know, let's put him in timeout for 2 minutes so we don't have to be the bad guy and actually punish him and be done with it. That shite works.
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You would thrive in a totalitarian state. Power to the State!
Laws are in place for a reason. If you want them changed, change them in the proper fashion. You don't break a law, refuse to take punishment for it and then bitch because they knock the shite out of you.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:49 pm to Topwater Trout
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.what are/should be the consequences for someone who drives on a revoked license?
double secret probation
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:50 pm to Warfarer
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The guy was punished by a fine the first time, he refused to pay it. What do you do to someone that doesn't give a shite that you fined him and tried to punish him to begin with?
they say to fine them again...I guess eventually they think they will pay
I wonder what the original amount of the fine in the op was
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:21 pm to tigerinthebueche
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you are asking this in relation to a government agency?
No. I'm asking it in relationship to those people on this forum advocating jail time for a municipal fine in an attempt to be hard on crime when the numbers don;t even come close to adding up.
If jail is the answer, what the frick must the question be if the math works out that badly?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:25 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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If jail is the answer
jail wasn't the answer...the options were pay the fine OR go to jail. Failing to pay the fine left jail as the only option.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:26 pm to Topwater Trout
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they say to fine them again...I guess eventually they think they will pay
But what if the guy promises he'll never do it again and is really really super sorry?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Our propensity to incarcerate costs more money than alternative sentencing
Had anyone addressed this point?
I don't think anyone here has suggested do nothing with this guy in this case...just that jailing someone for this makes no sense...unless the only goal is punishment regardless of the fine that started the whole thing...costs be damned.
That's an AWFUL lot of butthurt over some guy not paying a fine, which was likely only THAT high due to fees and levies tacked onto the first fine, to cause that level of financial mismanagement.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:39 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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alternative sentencing
so, my question then becomes...if he couldn't pay the fine, did he call and find out if there were any options be they community service, payment plan, etc? Paying the fine is on him. If he didn't try to make alternate arrangements and just ignored the fine for several years (as it seems), then jail was pretty much all he was left with.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Your, just give the guy a pass, approach works well when you live in the middle of no where Alaska. When you live in everyday America around other people, persons must respect others rights and safety. Not everyone does this and thus laws and law enforcement is needed.
Just because the soft hearted people of this country are unwilling to accept the harsh realities of what truly motivates change, does not mean we can ignore the infringement of citizen rights and saftey.
Just because the soft hearted people of this country are unwilling to accept the harsh realities of what truly motivates change, does not mean we can ignore the infringement of citizen rights and saftey.
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