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Ex-DHS Officials: San Bernardino Phone unlikely to hold important info

Posted on 3/1/16 at 11:49 am
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21844 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 11:49 am
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That’s because they already have access to a teeming trail of digital breadcrumbs that the terror suspect inevitably left behind before he and his wife killed 14 people in the Dec. 2 shooting rampage in San Bernardino, California, according to experts familiar with the technology involved. Those include data about the websites he visited using the county-issued work phone, calls he made, apps he downloaded and the people with whom he exchanged text messages — possibly including the content of some messages, up to about a week before the attacks.


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Experts say it’s nearly impossible for Farook not to have left digital traces up to the minute he died in a gun battle with police — data obtainable from sources such as Verizon’s cellular network, the advertising program of Verizon’s AOL subsidiary and even Apple itself.

That includes any phone numbers that Farook contacted if he made a regular voice call in the past year or longer. If he exchanged SMS text messages, the FBI most likely knows not just whom he sent them to, but the messages’ contents going back about a week before the shooting. Apple can disclose which apps he downloaded — including any encrypted text messaging apps. And Apple can probably identify whoever used the phone’s default iMessage text client to exchange messages with Farook, although not the content of those messages.


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So why are Justice Department prosecutors waging such a loud, public court fight to demand that Apple help it unlock the encrypted phone’s security protections — a fight that has alarmed the tech industry, stoked the debate about privacy versus national security, and even intruded into the presidential race?

The FBI is “hoping to set a precedent,” the ex-DHS official told POLITICO. And it chose its ground well: a terrorism case, where “the public opinion aspect is stronger.”


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"There is a reasonably good chance that there is nothing of any value on the phone," San Bernardino city police Chief Jarrod Burguantold NPR on Friday, although he defended the FBI’s request as “an effort to leave no stone unturned.”


Politico

Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51733 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 11:49 am to
But the FBI needs to hack it to save us all
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11842 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 11:50 am to
Which is why this is really important. This isn't about that phone. This is about increasing government power and ability to spy on us.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
15154 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 11:51 am to
Never let a good crisis go to waste....

I think most people that have some knowledge around this realize there is nothing on that phone.
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 11:54 am to
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This is about increasing government power and ability to spy on us.


I have some friends that work in the cyber security field that would blow your fricking mind with what they're capable of doing in about 3 minutes.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
15154 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 11:56 am to
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I have some friends that work in the cyber security field that would blow your fricking mind with what they're capable of doing in about 3 minutes.



your friends are most likely greatly exaggerating what they can do in 3 minutes
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 11:59 am to
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your friends are most likely greatly exaggerating what they can do in 3 minutes


Nope! I've witnessed it first hand. From pointing out a person at a restaurant and having said friend call that phone within 60 seconds, to hacking a fricking police radio right in front of a cop. There's a reason these people are paid high 6 figures.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43031 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:01 pm to
I've never understood why they wanted the phone unlocked when they could get basically everything they need without the phone. Are iPhone pictures stored in the cloud? If so, there's literally nothing else they can get with the phone being unlocked
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
15154 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:01 pm to
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Nope! I've witnessed it first hand. From pointing out a person at a restaurant and having said friend call that phone within 60 seconds, to hacking a fricking police radio right in front of a cop. There's a reason these people are paid high 6 figures.



Now I know your making shite up.
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:04 pm to
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Now I know your making shite up.


True story, man. I really wish I was making this up. It's absolutely mind-blowing. One guy in particular that I'm on good terms with, I know for a fact, abuses the shite out of his knowledge base, but for lesser good.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
15154 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:05 pm to
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True story, man. I really wish I was making this up. It's absolutely mind-blowing. One guy in particular that I'm on good terms with, I know for a fact, abuses the shite out of his knowledge base, but for lesser good.



go look at my posts in a few of the recent Apple/FBI threads. I assume you'll be able to ascertain what it is I do for a living. Either your full of shite or your friends are full of shite
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:09 pm to
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go look at my posts in a few of the recent Apple/FBI threads. I assume you'll be able to ascertain what it is I do for a living. Either your full of shite or your friends are full of shite


That's great! I'm just telling you what I've seen first hand. You don't have to believe it. Not to discredit your cyber prowess, but I'm willing to bet there are people out there better at what you do than you.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 12:10 pm
Posted by EveryonesACoach
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
898 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:10 pm to
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go look at my posts in a few of the recent Apple/FBI threads. I assume you'll be able to ascertain what it is I do for a living. Either your full of shite or your friends are full of shite


English Teacher?
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
15154 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:11 pm to
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That's great! I'm just telling you what I've seen first hand. You don't have to believe it. Not to discredit your cyber prowess, but I'm willing to bet there are people out there better at what you do than you.



Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
15154 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:11 pm to
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English Teacher?



obviously not lol
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:12 pm to
I said that in as polite as manner as I know, sorry you took offense.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
15154 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:13 pm to
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I said that in as polite as manner as I know, sorry you took offense.



no offense taken my man. i certainly am skeptical about what you stated, no offense
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:18 pm to
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no offense taken my man. i certainly am skeptical about what you stated, no offense


Fair enough!
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