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re: Evangelical Texas pastor Tony Evans steps down from church due to unnamed 'sin'
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:20 pm to bayoubengals88
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:20 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:
Cringe. That whole lot just seem so unbelievably self important. It oozes from their sweaty faces. They're the show and they absolutely love it.
To each their own. I know “televangelist” are cringe worthy, but a pastor of a church that is on television isn’t always in the same mold. They simply broadcast the service. It’s not hawking for money or whatever. It’s just an outreach of the church ministry.
I’ve never seen him anywhere but preaching in front of his home church.
I wouldn’t put Adrian Rogers in that “televangelist “ category.
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Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:21 pm to RAB
quote:That's just a small reason.
but when they fall, it has an exponentially bad impact.
The bigger problem is that Protestantism has been reduced to the oh so sacred 45 minute sermon where lazy congregants go to "get fed the word"...as if the point of going to one's local church is merely some intellectual exercise for the listener and a showy rhetorical performance for the speaker. See Adrian Rodgers and all the rest.
Now, granted, sometimes the content can be good and edifying (showiness aside), but worst case scenarious feature self help or therapy and end at that. Why go?
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:26 pm to sparkinator
quote:I'm actually not referring to televangelists at all. I'm talking about self obsessed run of the mill Protestant preachers who speak with over the top rhetoric and long dramatic pauses. All the while, delivering an overly propositional based exercise in logic as "expositional exegesis". That's what Big Evangelicalism has become. And that's the good side of it.
I wouldn’t put Adrian Rogers in that “televangelist “ category.
In reality, what they should be doing, is this: Getting the hell out of the way so the listener can gain access to the heart and mind of Christ. It's not easy.
This post was edited on 6/12/24 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:27 pm to bayoubengals88
Whatever happened to Word and Sacrament?
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:31 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:
Cringe. That whole lot just seem so unbelievably self important. It oozes from their sweaty faces. They're the show and they absolutely love it.
Tell me that you literally know nothing whatsoever about Dr. Rogers without actually saying it.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:32 pm to L.A.
That's the good news:
Pastor Tony Evans has been a very gifted speaker and popular Pastor. I have listened to his sermons on many occasion on his radio programs. He spoke much truth and connects extremely well with his audience....
Pastor Evans sadly has much bigger problems personally and as a "teacher of Christianity"; This apparent dalliance mat be forgivable of so-called "un-named sin" that' so disruptive that he's "stepping down".
HERE IS THE BAD NEWS about Tony Evans:
For all his oratory gifts, sadly this man is a rank heretic and NOT a true Christian teacher at all.
Tony Evans’ heresies (just a few -- there are several):
-- Pelagianism (the denial of original sin)
-- Inclusivism (you don’t have to be a Christian to be saved -- negating the sacrifice of Jesus Christ)
-- Limited Theism (the denial of God’s omnipotence [?!!])
Evans also espouses some nonsense called, “Kingdom race theology.” His NON-BIBLICAL definition: "Reconciled recognition, affirmation and celebration of the divinely created ethnic differences through which God displays His multifaceted glory"
Uh, that's a big fat NO, Tony. "Ethnic Differences" are NOT any way "God displays His Glory".
And as if the above doesn't disqualify Pastor Evans as a "Christian teacher", he has also supported Critical Race Theory (a divisive MARXIST-Luciferian concept).
Pastor Tony Evans has been a very gifted speaker and popular Pastor. I have listened to his sermons on many occasion on his radio programs. He spoke much truth and connects extremely well with his audience....
Pastor Evans sadly has much bigger problems personally and as a "teacher of Christianity"; This apparent dalliance mat be forgivable of so-called "un-named sin" that' so disruptive that he's "stepping down".
HERE IS THE BAD NEWS about Tony Evans:
For all his oratory gifts, sadly this man is a rank heretic and NOT a true Christian teacher at all.
Tony Evans’ heresies (just a few -- there are several):
-- Pelagianism (the denial of original sin)
-- Inclusivism (you don’t have to be a Christian to be saved -- negating the sacrifice of Jesus Christ)
-- Limited Theism (the denial of God’s omnipotence [?!!])
Evans also espouses some nonsense called, “Kingdom race theology.” His NON-BIBLICAL definition: "Reconciled recognition, affirmation and celebration of the divinely created ethnic differences through which God displays His multifaceted glory"
Uh, that's a big fat NO, Tony. "Ethnic Differences" are NOT any way "God displays His Glory".
And as if the above doesn't disqualify Pastor Evans as a "Christian teacher", he has also supported Critical Race Theory (a divisive MARXIST-Luciferian concept).
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:33 pm to LSUgolf
quote:
Maybe this board needs to look at their life and not cast stones.
Maybe clergy need to stop being hypocrites. They beg for the collection plate to be filled, then frick the women of the congregation, and diddle boys and girls.
Keep following and filling that collection plate though, that's all that matters to them
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:40 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:
bayoubengals88
Well, your beef is different than most. The slick back hair and car salesman personna is what drives most away from preachers on TV.
Watching a church service on TV of an eloquent pastor with a great sermon or teaching I that touches one’s heart is the least of the problems of churches these days. IMHO.
I’m not sure how that can be conveyed completely through TV. It’s just not practical. There would be no connection with the audience and therefore no viewers. I’m not exactly understanding what you expect out of a broadcast church service.
I know of no scandals associated with him or his ministry. He preaches and teaches, which is not AJ ways the case to be proficient in both. And I don’t see the flamboyant service you are alluding too.
I just think he has an excellent delivery and captivates the audience through his entire sermon. He pretty much maintains contact with the members through the entire service.
Anyway,… just not sure what you expect.
Are you against ALL broadcast church services?
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:46 pm to MemphisGuy
That’s how he comes across on the screen.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:47 pm to MemphisGuy
quote:
MemphisGuy
Help me out Memphis,…
what’s Bengal looking for? I’m at a loss.
There are a lot of shady characters out there, but we shouldn’t be painting with such a broad brush. There are still good ministers out there, and reaching people for the kingdom by way of TV isn’t perfect, but it is a valid ministry.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:52 pm to sparkinator
quote:It’s got nothing to do with tv. It has everything to do with where the emphasis is placed.
Are you against ALL broadcast church services?
Why is there ever a need to speak more than 25 minutes?
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:53 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:.
That’s how he comes across on the screen.
I appreciate the response.
I just don’t see it that way. We will have to agree to disagree.
What about the other questions posed? Is there a ministry you feel that is broadcast that you feel meets with your prerequisites?
Is there any ministers or pastors that fit the bill? I’d like to know who they are.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:53 pm to sparkinator
quote:Not real sure. Quite clearly, he's never actually listened to one of Dr. Rogers sermons. Probably just said "Hey, he's got a really big church." and changed the channel.
Help me out Memphis,…
what’s Bengal looking for? I’m at a loss.
There are a lot of shady characters out there, but we shouldn’t be painting with such a broad brush. There are still good ministers out there, and reaching people for the kingdom by way of TV isn’t perfect, but it is a valid ministry.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:54 pm to Liberator
MOREOVER...
The cautionary tale of Tony Evans and like may others like him who routinely teach heretical non-Biblical teachings and man-made doctrine, if forces scrutiny. Perhaps even a wake up call for some to re-examine their own faith and belief -- and adjust our teaches/churches accordingly.
Whenever we see supposed teachers and reps of the Word of God in Churches stray from the Holy Spirit I am reminded of two specific Chapter/Verse in Matthew warning of the importance of true Biblical leadership (Tree) leading us to the Kingdom of Heaven (bearing Fruit)
A Tree and its Fruit
…Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’… ~ Matthew 7:21-23
I've often also wondered about Jesus warning that the path to Heaven is narrow, and why that might be. It is essential to surrender our will to Jesus Christ, seeking a personal relationship with our Lord. No preacher or priest of church will be held responsible for our own personal Salvation before God. IT IS ON US.
The Narrow Gate
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.…~ Matthew 7:13-15
The cautionary tale of Tony Evans and like may others like him who routinely teach heretical non-Biblical teachings and man-made doctrine, if forces scrutiny. Perhaps even a wake up call for some to re-examine their own faith and belief -- and adjust our teaches/churches accordingly.
Whenever we see supposed teachers and reps of the Word of God in Churches stray from the Holy Spirit I am reminded of two specific Chapter/Verse in Matthew warning of the importance of true Biblical leadership (Tree) leading us to the Kingdom of Heaven (bearing Fruit)
A Tree and its Fruit
…Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’… ~ Matthew 7:21-23
I've often also wondered about Jesus warning that the path to Heaven is narrow, and why that might be. It is essential to surrender our will to Jesus Christ, seeking a personal relationship with our Lord. No preacher or priest of church will be held responsible for our own personal Salvation before God. IT IS ON US.
The Narrow Gate
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.…~ Matthew 7:13-15
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:54 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:umm.. huh? Is your attention span that short? Better things to do?
Why is there ever a need to speak more than 25 minutes?
Posted on 6/12/24 at 1:55 pm to Masterag
Some people take it too far and are puppets.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 2:00 pm to Old Sarge
I hate to hear this. My parents attended his church back in 2008 a week before the presidential election. He never mentioned it or discussed who to vote for. He has seemed to be a Biblical based pastor which is what I look for. I hate that this is happening, but realize that if he did do something counter to Christianity it may be best that he steps away. Hopefully his family makes it through it. They seem to be great people as well.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 2:01 pm to MemphisGuy
quote:You're missing the point. I have no shortage of attention.
umm.. huh? Is your attention span that short? Better things to do?
It has nothing to do with attention span or sleepiness. When a pastor speaks longer than 25 minutes it starts to become all about the pastor.
Church is corporate. The Prayer of Confession and Assurance of Pardon is just as important as the sermon. Holy Communion is just as important as the sermon. Baptisms, singing of hymns, it all deserves adequate attention.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 2:07 pm to sparkinator
quote:Not that I am aware of. I no longer seek any outside podcasts, television, or YouTube sermons.
Is there a ministry you feel that is broadcast that you feel meets with your prerequisites?
quote:My own pastor. His sermons are 21-24 minutes and he doesn't try to show everyone how smart he is with knowedge of Greek or overly long contextual introductions. He essentially paints a picture and demonstrates the beauty and majesty of Christ.
Is there any ministers or pastors that fit the bill? I’d like to know who they are.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 2:12 pm to bayoubengals88
This is in line with my thinking. He elaborates if you scroll down.
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