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re: Ethics Question- Teacher
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:32 am to HarryBalzack
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:32 am to HarryBalzack
Personally, I have to agree it is a tough situation.
Clearly the student is scared and struggling with his dad being shot. The question that remains however, is whether the firearm is for protection or for vengeance/retaliation. Truly you can't know.
An arrest for this situation will drastically alter this young man's life and future. Possibly ending any chance of higher education. Our goal as a society should be to empower all of those around us to achieve excellence. That is of course impossible if we don't first protect innocent individuals from harm to the best of our ability.
Certainly there are many more variables to consider depending on the planned action. Even immediately reporting him could result in a school wide lockdown, and elevated a non violent situation into a violent one.
Ideally, I would like to keep this child contained in one location and separate all other students from him. Potentially dismissing the other students and asking him to stay behind to talk if I felt he was stable and safe. Although I would like to help the young man, there is the difficulty of how to secure the firearm going forward and how to assure no further illegal carry by him.
Clearly the student is scared and struggling with his dad being shot. The question that remains however, is whether the firearm is for protection or for vengeance/retaliation. Truly you can't know.
An arrest for this situation will drastically alter this young man's life and future. Possibly ending any chance of higher education. Our goal as a society should be to empower all of those around us to achieve excellence. That is of course impossible if we don't first protect innocent individuals from harm to the best of our ability.
Certainly there are many more variables to consider depending on the planned action. Even immediately reporting him could result in a school wide lockdown, and elevated a non violent situation into a violent one.
Ideally, I would like to keep this child contained in one location and separate all other students from him. Potentially dismissing the other students and asking him to stay behind to talk if I felt he was stable and safe. Although I would like to help the young man, there is the difficulty of how to secure the firearm going forward and how to assure no further illegal carry by him.
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Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:34 am to TheDeathValley
Provide the entire class with a refresher over several of the rules. Really emphasize a few of them and explain the dire consequences.
This will allow you to give him the message and retain plausible deniability. If you speak to him solo you could be screwed for life.
If you think he might pose a threat either draw down on him immediately or notify the principal/authorities.
This will allow you to give him the message and retain plausible deniability. If you speak to him solo you could be screwed for life.
If you think he might pose a threat either draw down on him immediately or notify the principal/authorities.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:36 am to TheDeathValley
A student brings a gun to school.
That's all you had to post....
That's all you had to post....
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:45 am to TheDeathValley
Here's another hypothetical to go with your hypothetical:
What if the student for some reason has convinced himself that a classmate is the one that shot his dad? Then he starts discharging the weapon at lunch in a crowded cafeteria and everybody is fricked.
What if the student for some reason has convinced himself that a classmate is the one that shot his dad? Then he starts discharging the weapon at lunch in a crowded cafeteria and everybody is fricked.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:52 am to LST
I accidentally brought a pistol to school once.
I gave it to my counselor and explained that I want shooting the day before and forgot it in my backpack. She brought it to my mom.
I was friends with the counselor's daughter at the time, so this was a my best option.
I gave it to my counselor and explained that I want shooting the day before and forgot it in my backpack. She brought it to my mom.
I was friends with the counselor's daughter at the time, so this was a my best option.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 9:58 am to TheDeathValley
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Would you immediately alert the principal and have the student escorted out and arrested
Guns are not permitted on school property. It's a felony.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:01 am to LucasP
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Think of the children.
I am... and that's exactly why teachers shouldn't have guns.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:17 am to Bleeding purple
Have to report it.
What if you don't? Well, for one, the kid COULD have ulterior motives that you don't see. Maybe his girlfriend gave someone else a blowjob. Kid's father gets shot. Kid is already enraged. Decides he's going to use a gun to get his way because "frick it, the world sucks as a whole. Why should I play the good guy?" Teenagers especially delve into some fricked up philosophy while trying to figure out their place in the world. While the odds are small that this is what the kid is thinking, it wouldn't shock me in the slightest if that ended up happening.
What if you talk to him about it? Well, you better damn hope it NEVER gets out. And remember who you're dealing with here. A teenaged boy. They don't keep secrets. Ever. He will tell his girlfriend(s), his buddies, and probably eventually his father. Maybe not this week, but in a few months time, I guarantee you're answering questions about the future of your career because you wanted to protect a kid that brought a freaking gun to school.
Keep that in mind. He brought a gun to school. Is a burglar going to come inside the school to shoot a kid after getting away with shooting a home owner? Nope. Not happening. The kid is in the wrong for bringing a gun and should be punished appropriately.
What if you don't? Well, for one, the kid COULD have ulterior motives that you don't see. Maybe his girlfriend gave someone else a blowjob. Kid's father gets shot. Kid is already enraged. Decides he's going to use a gun to get his way because "frick it, the world sucks as a whole. Why should I play the good guy?" Teenagers especially delve into some fricked up philosophy while trying to figure out their place in the world. While the odds are small that this is what the kid is thinking, it wouldn't shock me in the slightest if that ended up happening.
What if you talk to him about it? Well, you better damn hope it NEVER gets out. And remember who you're dealing with here. A teenaged boy. They don't keep secrets. Ever. He will tell his girlfriend(s), his buddies, and probably eventually his father. Maybe not this week, but in a few months time, I guarantee you're answering questions about the future of your career because you wanted to protect a kid that brought a freaking gun to school.
Keep that in mind. He brought a gun to school. Is a burglar going to come inside the school to shoot a kid after getting away with shooting a home owner? Nope. Not happening. The kid is in the wrong for bringing a gun and should be punished appropriately.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:19 am to TheDeathValley
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Would you immediately alert the principal and have the student escorted out and arrested, or escort the student to his vehicle and have him place the weapon in his car (legal in the state of GA).
Escort him to his car. The last thing we need is another "gun in school" headline
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:20 am to TheDeathValley
It's not your place to attempt to disarm the student in any fashion. You aren't trained for this. Your job is to keep the rest of the class safe. Notify the principal and let trained professionals do their job.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:30 am to Slinky
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Guns are not permitted on school property. It's a felony.
This is such bullshite, ruin a kids life for this while real criminals run rampant in schools every day.
This just happened where I went to high school and the public response has been ridiculous for a simple mistake. Same deal, catholic school, good kid, life changing victimless mistake.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:45 am to TheDeathValley
You have no idea what the kid's mindset is and you cannot assume it's related to his dad getting shot, he may have a completely different motive and you'd be in shite if he went and shot another student
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