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re: 'Equal Pay' chants following U.S. Victory
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:37 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:37 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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For someone who claims to be an accountant, you really don’t have an understanding of basic economics at all.
Enlighten me
Not that economic theory is going to be particularly relevant when you have a collective bargaining agreement, but go on.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 6:39 pm
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:38 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I am pretty sure that USA and FIFA bundles the TV contract and advertising contracts with both the mens/women's tournaments. Outside seeing the internal valuation that each organization places on the value of each of those contracts, there isn't a true breakdown.
750M watched the 2015 Women's World Cup, 3.57B watched the 2018 Men's World Cup, so by those figures the mens game had over 80% of the total world cup viewership, use that to allocate the FIFA figures.
750M watched the 2015 Women's World Cup, 3.57B watched the 2018 Men's World Cup, so by those figures the mens game had over 80% of the total world cup viewership, use that to allocate the FIFA figures.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:40 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:40 pm to TigerAlumni2010
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750M watched the 2015 Women's World Cup, 3.57B watched the 2018 Men's World Cup, so by those figures the mens game had over 80% of the total world cup viewership, use that to allocate the FIFA figures.
He will say "thats not relevant", and "LOOK at my RESEARCH!"
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:41 pm to TigerAlumni2010
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I am pretty sure that USA and FIFA bundles the TV contract and advertising contracts with both the mens/women's tournaments. Outside seeing the internal valuation that each organization places on the value of each of those contracts.
750M watched the 2015 Women's World Cup, 3.57B watched the 2018 Men's World Cup, so by those figures the mens game had over 80% of the total world cup viewership, use that to allocate the FIFA figures.
The FIFA figures aren't what I'm talking about. There's no arguing thr FIFA numbers, one because they're painfully obvious, and two it's not why the women are suing. They are suing the US Federation.
The easiest way to look at the FIFA money is as a bonus that's outside regular pay.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:41 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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For someone who claims to be an accountant
Mingo is an accountant?
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:41 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Thats your opinion. Which means exactly zero.
It doesn't make it right.
quote:Fair has exactly zero to do with it either. The men and women both get paid what the market demands what they get paid. Revenues for talent are almost irrelevant when it comes to compensation.
The women shouldnt make as much as the men if the men make more money, it's pretty simple. That doesn't disqualify the possibility of the women not being paid fairly
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:43 pm to KirkLazarus
If equal pay was an issue why wouldn't profit hungry, evil, plotting corporations hire only female executives so they could save 30% on salaries?
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:43 pm to msutiger
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False. If the men reached the World Cup final it would potentially beat super bowl ratings. The men’s prospective fan base is much larger
Besides that, who are you bitching at? FIFA? The Women’s World Cup doesn’t bring in any money compared to the men’s. There will ALWAYS be a massive gap in World Cup pay between the men and women because there is a massive gap in revenue.
You can not compare World Cup ratings for the women to friendlies for the men.
Don’t forget that the US Federation also subsidizes US Professional soccer by paying the yearly salary for players that play on the USMNT. The National Women’s Soccer League doesn’t make any money and the federation helps keep them afloat but you never hear that argument brought up. You don’t see the Federation paying Pulisic’s Chelsea salary. The men also play a lot more games against tougher competition in World Cup qualifying which is why their pay reflects that.
This is so much more complex than “The women sell lots of tickets” but it’s 2019 and everyone is an expert on everything thanks to Twitter.
Boom.
Thanks for playing, mingo.
How bad does it suck to be so thoroughly dominated in this thread?
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:45 pm to msutiger
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If the men reached the World Cup final it would potentially beat super bowl ratings. The men’s prospective fan base is much larger
I'm not disagreeing with you, except they don't and won't for the foreseeable future make the World Cup Final. We're aren't talking hypothetical here.
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Besides that, who are you bitching at? FIFA?
Quite literally the opposite
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You can not compare World Cup ratings for the women to friendlies for the men.
When the men don't play in the world cup you absolutely can, and they're comparable anyway.
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This is so much more complex than “The women sell lots of tickets” but it’s 2019 and everyone is an expert on everything thanks to Twitter.
There's no doubt about that, and it's the reason I've looked at financial statements, the cba's, and other numbers and sources on the issue.
For the third or fourth time, I'm not arguing the women should get equal pay, or possibly anything close to it. Only that it is possible they aren't being treated quite as fairly as the men in their bargaining agreements because of things out of their control.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:45 pm to Tigerbait357
quote:He sits in one of those booths at Walmart from March to April 15th.
Mingo is an accountant?
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:45 pm to DeusVultMachina
I also forgot that both the Mexican and Canadian National team players have their National Women’s Soccer League salaries paid for by their respective federations.
These women are going to end up biting the hand that feeds them.
These women are going to end up biting the hand that feeds them.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:46 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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The men and women both get paid what the market demands what they get paid.
No they don't. This isn't a W2 employee/Employer relationship.
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Revenues for talent are almost irrelevant when it comes to compensation.
When you get a percentage of revenue as party of your compensation, revenue is absolutely relevant.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:47 pm to KirkLazarus
Not reading all that. What do the other countries pay their athletes for doing the same thing?
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:49 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Yes, they do. If the Men’s team could get high caliber players to play for what they are paying the women then they would.
No they don't.
quote:Are you saying that the revenue percentage that women get is less than what men get? I don’t really know that’s why I’m asking. But it’s still irrelevant.
When you get a percentage of revenue as party of your compensation, revenue is absolutely relevant.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:49 pm to DeusVultMachina
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If the men reached the World Cup final it would potentially beat super bowl ratings.
Yeah, no. Think, really think about what goes on every Superbowl Sunday. WC would not come close. It might beat a game seven of the World Series, but it isn't touching a Superbowl.Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:51 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Yes, they do. If the Men’s team could get high caliber players to play for what they are paying the women then they would.
What? What men's players don't play for the national team that are eligible and the team wants? Do you know what a national team is?
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Are you saying that the revenue percentage that womengetbis less than what men get?
I'm saying when you get paid 10% of revenue, that whether revenue is $10 or $10million is really relevant.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:53 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
You do understand that USA women's soccer is the best women's soccer organization in the world their training facilities, their corporate sponsorships, girls youth leagues are all top notch and the best in the world. Unfortunately people like you don't understand that women's soccer is not as popular worldwide and is really just beginning in other parts of the world. Unlike the women the USA men's team benefits from a world where mens soccer is the top sport and this allows millions if not billions of dollars into their soccer. Kudos to USA women's soccer but the world is not willing to pay to watch women's soccer and they should not be payed like the men. This isn't the USA where colleges and state money is used to give female athletes college scholarships even though their sport loses money for the school. This is for profit organization in the business of making money not losing it.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:54 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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When the men don't play in the world cup you absolutely can, and they're comparable anyway.
The TV deal runs from 2015-2022, you cannot use a single year as a basis for a TV revenue argument. The broadcasting rights for US Soccer and the MLS were agreed to back in May of 2014 before the men even missed the World Cup. You have to take into account what the women are doing, as far as ratings go, in non-world cup years.
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For the third or fourth time, I'm not arguing the women should get equal pay, or possibly anything close to it. Only that it is possible they aren't being treated quite as fairly as the men in their bargaining agreements because of things out of their control.
The only area I believe the women are getting screwed is endorsements through the federation. The mean are paid more and I think that is completely unfair. It is the only place they have an argument though.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 6:54 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:What women’s players don’t play for the national team that are eligible and the team wants?
What? What men's players don't play for the national team that are eligible and the team wants? Do you know what a national team is?
quote:It’s relevant to each individual player’s bank account....but not to this discussion.
I'm saying when you get paid 10% of revenue, that whether revenue is $10 or $10million is really relevant.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 6:55 pm
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