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re: End of a species? The last Northern White Rhino male has died; only 2 females remain

Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:54 am to
Posted by SSpaniel
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:54 am to
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My understanding is this 'northern' white rhino species is basically a made up liberal species just to push their agenda. I'm not trying to be policital here, but this 'northern' species is not any different than the southern white rhino except for where they lived and evolved.


So... basically no different that Northern and Southern white people. We are all white folks.
Posted by Pavoloco83
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:54 am to
I think this makes a pretty good case for cloning.
Posted by Slagathor
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:55 am to
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If an animal can adapt to the current apex predator on the planet, which is currently us, then they can survive to pass on their genes.


Humans are not traditional predators. We can intervene with other humans. It's not black and white. We can assess the global impact of a species going extinct or being overpopulated. Understanding our potential role in extinction isn't disbelief in evolution.
Posted by Pavoloco83
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:55 am to
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So... basically no different that Northern and Southern white people.


frick yankees.
Posted by rebeloke
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:57 am to
Hopefully they harvested seamen his sperm.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 9:58 am to
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Humans are not traditional predators. We can intervene with other humans. It's not black and white. We can assess the global impact of a species going extinct or being overpopulated. Understanding our potential role in extinction isn't disbelief in evolution


Wrong. Either we are or we are not part of nature where evolution is the deciding factor for on which species moves forward. If we truly beleive in evolution we cannot put our finger on the scale and prevent species that cannot survive on their own to continue. Again, either we beleive in evolution or we don’t. I’m just looking for some consistency on this subject.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 9:59 am
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:01 am to
It's a shame, and I hope they can somehow revive the species.
Posted by rintintin
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:03 am to
You're making a complex issue into simple black and white (no pun intended).

The difference with humans is that we have the mental capacity to decide if we want a species to live or to die, and now we have the technology and weaponry to make that happen. We could wipe out our own existence if we wanted to. It all depends if we have that desire.

That's a bit different than your normal evolutionary survival of the fittest.
Posted by Slagathor
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:06 am to
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Again, either we beleive in evolution or we don’t. I’m just looking for some consistency on this subject.


Evolution exists and is also very altered by human interaction/interruption/intervention. Survival of the fittest of other species is impacted by humans, whether it means extinction or preservation.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:10 am to
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Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:13 am to
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The last Northern White Rhino male has died; only 2 females remain



Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:13 am to
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You're making a complex issue into simple black and white (no pun intended).



No. You’re over complicating a rather simple issue.

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The difference with humans is that we have the mental capacity to decide if we want a species to live or to die, and now we have the technology and weaponry to make that happen. We could wipe out our own existence if we wanted to. It all depends if we have that desire.

That's a bit different than your normal evolutionary survival of the fittest


This is where you’re argument goes off the risks from an evolutionary standpoint. For evolution to work, only the most fit can pass on their genes and continue their line. Otherwise the whole process fails. Imagine if 64 million years ago some species was able to artificially keep the dinosaurs from going extinct. Sure those “majestic” animals would still roam he planet. But other species like the White Rhino (and us as well) would have never “evolved” into existence. By artificially keeping species like the WhitecRhino around are preventing the next species to take the rhino’s Place from ever emerging.

The whole bedrock foundation of evolution is that there must be a constant influx of new and improved species better suited to survive and pass on their genes. If we purport to beleive this and purport to love this planet, then we cannot interfere with it by trying to save species that cannot survive on their own. That’s true even if it’s us that is making them go extinct. Those species will fall to the side and make room for species that can survive our presence atop the food chain.

So again, I ask. Do we beleive in evolution and survival of the fittest or do we not?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:14 am to
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Can blame this one on the US, it's those crazy fricking orientals believing that powder from rhino horns is magical.




And in reality it is the same thing as human fingernails.

Think about how gross that is. They're shaving it on top of drinks and food.
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:15 am to
One of the females should just identify as a male. Boom. Problem solved.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 10:16 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:17 am to
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Evolution exists and is also very altered by human interaction/interruption/intervention. Survival of the fittest of other species is impacted by humans, whether it means extinction or preservation


True. But the only evolutionary purpose to preserve a species that without our intervention could not survive on its own is if that species can be used to the furtherance of our own species. For example, if that species can be utilized as a spice of food or perhaps farm labor.
Posted by Slagathor
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:17 am to
What do you do for a living that doesn't require knowledge of "I before E except after C"?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:19 am to
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What do you do for a living that doesn't require knowledge of "I before E except after C"?



Can’t argue using fact and logic so you attack grammatical or spelling errors. Just what I’d expect from someone who’s worldview is based on emotion.

Now do exactly what I expect and give the typical “you’re argument is dumb”. This is the standard emotional response from someone unable to muster anything of substance.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 10:22 am
Posted by Slagathor
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:23 am to
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Can’t argue using fact and logic so you attack grammatical or spelling errors.



You keep saying that we can believe in evolution like it's a religion that we can practice. You used the word 'believe' a LOT. It sticks out.

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Just what I’d expect from someone who’s worldview is based on emotion.
I'd rather people sum up my worldview based on my posts about wine instead of rhinos, but oh well.
Posted by Big Chipper
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:24 am to
Simple fix: have one of the two remaining females identify as male.
Posted by rintintin
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:25 am to
We aren't artificially keeping the species alive if we were the ones responsible for ending it in the first place. Again, humans today are different than any species this world has ever seen.

We almost eliminated the American buffalo when the Europeans colonized North America. Not based on any natural phenomenon or need, but based on humans desire to kill them for no useful reason. Then we decided not to.

Was that preserving a species that should've become extinct? Or just realizing that us humans were being assholes.

We are the only species in the Earth's existence that can make that decision. It's just different.

If we decide we want the White Rhino to live by artificial means, isn't that still nature? We make that decision with almost everything today, because we are capable of totally destroying or preserving things.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 10:28 am
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