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re: Elon: “When the mass driver on the Moon gets going, I’m not sure money will be relevant”
Posted on 12/17/25 at 8:16 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 12/17/25 at 8:16 am to hawgfaninc
quote:I have been trained for this mission for over 45 years
Mining asteroids will be a game changer
Posted on 12/17/25 at 8:47 am to hawgfaninc
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Rockets get you to the Moon. The Moon gets you everywhere else.
I think it’s easy to overstate the benefit here. It takes something like 15 km/sec of delta-V to go from the surface of Earth to the surface of the Moon. It takes something like 18 km/sec of delta-V to go from the surface of Earth to the Surface of Mars.. only about 20% more than going to the Moon.
Delta-V isn’t really the biggest hurdle for manned interplanetary missions. The big hurdles are 1) the duration of the trip / life support requirements and 2) the return. The duration of the trip means you need a larger payload for the same crew size, compared to a lunar mission. The return trip means you need a much larger payload (including chemical rocket stages) because you have to take off from another body with atmosphere. You also need chemical rocket stages for maneuvering and capture burns. The tyranny of the rocket equation makes it difficult to launch such a large payload without some form of orbital assembly/refueling.
So the utility of a lunar mass driver as a staging point for other missions largely depends on the payload fraction that can be fully manufactured in situ on the Moon. Considering a large portion of that payload for manned missions is likely to be fuel for the return trip, I think the benefit becomes marginal. Now.. if you can find a way to manufacture rocket fuels from lunar regolith, that changes things considerably.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 9:30 am to hawgfaninc
We'll have a mass driver on the moon before fully self-driven vehicles.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:10 am to LSUBFA83
quote:FIFY
I'd really like to EAT cows in low/no gravity.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 12:37 pm to dstone12
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Even after you factor in the cost of creating the railgun?
He already greatly reduced the price per pound to get material into space with the reusable rockets.
Pay for railgun once and your done.
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