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re: Elon: “When the mass driver on the Moon gets going, I’m not sure money will be relevant”

Posted on 12/17/25 at 8:16 am to
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
72834 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 8:16 am to
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Mining asteroids will be a game changer
I have been trained for this mission for over 45 years


Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12651 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 8:47 am to
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Rockets get you to the Moon. The Moon gets you everywhere else.

I think it’s easy to overstate the benefit here. It takes something like 15 km/sec of delta-V to go from the surface of Earth to the surface of the Moon. It takes something like 18 km/sec of delta-V to go from the surface of Earth to the Surface of Mars.. only about 20% more than going to the Moon.

Delta-V isn’t really the biggest hurdle for manned interplanetary missions. The big hurdles are 1) the duration of the trip / life support requirements and 2) the return. The duration of the trip means you need a larger payload for the same crew size, compared to a lunar mission. The return trip means you need a much larger payload (including chemical rocket stages) because you have to take off from another body with atmosphere. You also need chemical rocket stages for maneuvering and capture burns. The tyranny of the rocket equation makes it difficult to launch such a large payload without some form of orbital assembly/refueling.

So the utility of a lunar mass driver as a staging point for other missions largely depends on the payload fraction that can be fully manufactured in situ on the Moon. Considering a large portion of that payload for manned missions is likely to be fuel for the return trip, I think the benefit becomes marginal. Now.. if you can find a way to manufacture rocket fuels from lunar regolith, that changes things considerably.
Posted by Mikes My Tiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2007
2817 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 9:30 am to
We'll have a mass driver on the moon before fully self-driven vehicles.
Posted by FCP
Delta State Univ. - Fightin' Okra
Member since Sep 2010
5101 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 10:10 am to
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I'd really like to EAT cows in low/no gravity.
FIFY
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16698 posts
Posted on 12/17/25 at 12:37 pm to
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Even after you factor in the cost of creating the railgun?


He already greatly reduced the price per pound to get material into space with the reusable rockets.

Pay for railgun once and your done.
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