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Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:57 am to celltech1981
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i found this fascinating. Imagine being able to access google instantly without having to use your thumbs. just a thought and it's googled
I'm not letting Google into my head anymore than it already is.
We let Google think too much for us already.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 8:19 am to musick
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"Best case scenario, we effectively merge with AI."
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:04 am to PrivatePublic
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Or think of it like this: imagine google having instant access to your brain.
If my brain is interconnected, does that mean some Russian kid can hack it?
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:15 am to musick
Elon is disgusting. The herd who follows him even more.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:24 am to musick
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How much smarter are you with a phone or computer or without? You're vastly smarter, actually,
You have access to more information. You're not any smarter. In fact, I would argue the opposite. Having access to all this data atrophies your intrinsic cognitive ability.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:27 am to Jim Rockford
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You have access to more information. You're not any smarter. In fact, I would argue the opposite. Having access to all this data atrophies your intrinsic cognitive ability.
Sure
But what if you had "offline" capabilities and only used the PC for superior mathematical functions?
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:28 am to Powerman
I think if most people had a realtime data link to their brain they wouldn't be able to resist. Just like most people aren't able to put away their phones for any length of time.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 9:34 am to rmc
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The probability of this life being a simulation
It's an almost 100% guarantee
Posted on 9/12/18 at 11:58 am to musick
Those of us already alive and going probably not I'd think. The "data" is probably largely degraded in our brain like an old VHS or microfilm.
Going forward though it should work fine and new memories would be kept intact.
Going forward though it should work fine and new memories would be kept intact.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 11:59 am
Posted on 9/12/18 at 12:41 pm to musick
I thought the entire podcast was great. I got just as much out of watching his non-verbal as I did his insights. Sure, his ideas are eccentric but at the core you can tell there is something there that is just far far more advanced intellectually than most everyone.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 3:07 pm to Sao
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I got just as much out of watching his non-verbal as I did his insights
The non-verbal stuff when he is talking about sustained energy and getting away from fossil fuels how it's the dumbest experiment in human history because it's finite and we have ways of storing infinite energy without it is something to see.
He gets PASSIONATE about it, you can tell just by looking at his face, how he almost gets red with anger talking about it, and this is obviously a huge reason he wants to push electric cars, etc.
I have always been on the other side of "climate change" and "global warming" but hearing him talk about how humans are mining tons of finite carbon from under the earth and spreading it to our atmosphere and oceans eventually in a long period of time becoming unsustainable is an interesting viewpoint. He barely even touches on the actual climate change portion of it and is more pissed about it being finite and just gone one day. Especially when there's technology now to not have to do it, and the Tesla is a great example of it. He does also mention for SpaceX there's no other way than using rocket fuel so he's not some global warming douche, it was just another angle to look at it and I found it interesting.
He quickly explained the situation better than any liberal has for 20 years, and makes me think about it more.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 9/12/18 at 3:08 pm to musick
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"It will enable anyone who wants to have superhuman cognition," Musk said. "Anyone who wants."
What if it gets wet though?
Posted on 9/12/18 at 3:11 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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What if it gets wet though?
It's funny you brought this up because Rogan joking asked him about the other electric car (forget the name) before Tesla that had a lot flooded somewhere and there's video of the cars exploding.
Musk just nonchalantly says "that's why we made our battery waterproof, one of the first things we did"
It just makes you think, where did this guy come from? It's like all of a sudden he was in the paradigm of the world drastically altering our course. one day he wasn't, and then poof here he was creating tesla, spaceX, nerolink, the boring company, and more.
at one point in the podcast Rogan is hounding him on time management and how it's not humanly possible to do everything he does, and he just deadpan says he's an alien. no one laughs, he reiterates it, and they move on. Just a weird moment. They then touch on that Musk is likely an AI that took the form of a human to fix things with the world and clean stuff up before moving to its next phase.
It sounds preposterous but it makes you wonder.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 9/12/18 at 3:16 pm to musick
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"How much smarter are you with a phone or computer or without? You're vastly smarter, actually," Musk said. "You can answer any question pretty much instantly. You can remember flawlessly. Your phone can remember videos [and] pictures perfectly. Your phone is already an extension of you. You're already a cyborg. Most people don't realize you're already a cyborg. It's just that the data rate ... it's slow, very slow. It's like a tiny straw of information flow between your biological self and your digital self. We need to make that tiny straw like a giant river, a huge, high-bandwidth interface."
If he's talking about changing the connection we have to our phones from what we have now (which at the moment is basically the same as having a relatively infinite encyclopedia in our pocket, still requiring us to actually 'look up stuff') to one similar to our own nervous systems ability to learn, store, and Apply Knowledge...
That would literally be one of the defining evolutionary/technological points in human history. Similar to fire, agriculture, renaissance, splitting the atom, the microchip, the internet, etc. etc. Frankly, itd be a new kind of advancement in Civilization VII
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 9/12/18 at 3:37 pm to SundayFunday
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If he's talking about changing the connection we have to our phones from what we have now (which at the moment is basically the same as having a relatively infinite encyclopedia in our pocket, still requiring us to actually 'look up stuff') to one similar to our own nervous systems ability to learn, store, and Apply Knowledge... That would literally be one of the defining evolutionary/technological points in human history. Similar to fire, agriculture, renaissance, splitting the atom, the microchip, the internet, etc. etc. Frankly, itd be a new kind of advancement in Civilization VII
He is. And you have to think. The last big human changing milestone invention was the microprocessor. Internet connectivity went along with that, but wasn't something new.
Now you are talking about taking this processing power and bandwidth of infinite, interconnected information and interfacing it with the brain, unlocking computer/human's true potential, the true cyborg. This would be that next big leap in our history. It's hard to actually "appreciate" as Musk said, what it's going to look/feel like, but you have to think it's drastically different than what we are now.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:06 pm to musick
I always thought that human Natural evolution has ended. There are simply too many people, too much genetic migration, and too few challenges to the species that the only possible other way for humans to evolve (barring worldwide disaster that drastically reduces the species) is through artificial means.
And this idea is by no means new.
And this idea is by no means new.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:15 pm to musick
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The non-verbal stuff when he is talking about sustained energy and getting away from fossil fuels how it's the dumbest experiment in human history because it's finite and we have ways of storing infinite energy without it is something to see.
He gets PASSIONATE about it, you can tell just by looking at his face, how he almost gets red with anger talking about it, and this is obviously a huge reason he wants to push electric cars, etc.
I have always been on the other side of "climate change" and "global warming" but hearing him talk about how humans are mining tons of finite carbon from under the earth and spreading it to our atmosphere and oceans eventually in a long period of time becoming unsustainable is an interesting viewpoint. He barely even touches on the actual climate change portion of it and is more pissed about it being finite and just gone one day. Especially when there's technology now to not have to do it, and the Tesla is a great example of it. He does also mention for SpaceX there's no other way than using rocket fuel so he's not some global warming douche, it was just another angle to look at it and I found it interesting.
i was on a run when he said that and i wanted to scream "it's not an effing experiment!!!"
i completely understood the sentiment, but burning fossil fuels is 100% a success, it just has unintended consequences.
We've need the ability to move from point A to point B, or move stuff from point A to point B for a 1000 years.
somebody figured out the wheel somebody figured out a horse could be domesticated. somebody figured out we could put wheels with a horse and get a wagon and move a bunch of stuff. somebody figured out that coal/steam can sustain locomotion at less cost and for longer than a horse. somebody figured out that an engine could run on refined oil and we could put it in a a device on four wheels.
that's not an experiment and it's not wrong, it's been the natural progression of science. you're coming along and doing better, and i hope it's a great success.
while i was enthralled with the interview, i felt like that took a giant shite on the shoulders he's standing on with that statement.
i'm not for/against the climate change science, but i do think that if we can do better for our environment, we should, and he is. but don't act like everybody that came before you is some plebe.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:19 pm to musick
This movie was just out, called Upgrade
Posted on 9/12/18 at 4:20 pm to musick
It's clear his one prolonged hope for sustained energy is solar.
He mentioned -
but didn't even want to bog down in the minutiae - of our Sun's potential. And I'm not even talking about him profiteering from banking/storing energy as a Musk company, I'm thinking he is referring to all energy sector companies changing paradigm. I think we all know, though, that in the age of stock holder interests, the initial capital outlay isn't interesting now because overall wealth may not be realized for 20 years. We want it NOW. Can't wait. Impatient and shortsighted.
It's like trying to convince someone to invest in 100 acres and plant pine seedlings vs. buy $350,000 in xyz hot stock.
He mentioned -
but didn't even want to bog down in the minutiae - of our Sun's potential. And I'm not even talking about him profiteering from banking/storing energy as a Musk company, I'm thinking he is referring to all energy sector companies changing paradigm. I think we all know, though, that in the age of stock holder interests, the initial capital outlay isn't interesting now because overall wealth may not be realized for 20 years. We want it NOW. Can't wait. Impatient and shortsighted.
It's like trying to convince someone to invest in 100 acres and plant pine seedlings vs. buy $350,000 in xyz hot stock.
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