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re: Electric vehicles
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:38 pm to CPTDCKHD
Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:38 pm to CPTDCKHD
quote:If what you say here is true, then you should talk about the advantages like I do instead of disparaging them. The costs will continue to come down, as will the cost of solar and home energy storage. And these costs will come down faster if more people buy into it. It would definitely require a little bit different thinking and a change of habits for some people, but it's not as drastic a change or as scary as people make it out to be. There is always the option of one EV and one ICE for two vehicle households.
Baw, I would happily drive an EV- if it could provide me the same reliability, in all conditions, that a gasoline engine does. You and I are pawns, in a chess game between the existing powers and the challengers thereof. While I admire your forward thinking- I will use what works best for me. And, until they make affordable work trucks that can go the distance required, without having to plug it into a fossil fuel powered electrical system, I will continue to put the fossil fuel in my truck.
And I agree that we are pawns, but if your goal is to no longer be a pawn then you should encourage EV and solar adoption. The only way to break free of these particular chains is if all of your home and transportation energy needs can be supplied by equipment that *you* own and which run with *zero* inputs from another entity. The only way this is feasible for most of us is with solar panels with battery storage and an EV. Then you could live completely off the grid with zero reliance on electricity generated at a plant or natural gas piped to your house or gasoline produced by a billion dollar corporation and delivered to your local station. It's either that or live without power and ride a bicycle.
Grow a vegetable garden, raise some chickens, and purify rainwater and you won't need anything from anyone. (edit: except ammo
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Posted on 6/12/22 at 9:44 pm to Dixienourmous69
Technically the EV is flexible because you can use a generator to charge it if needed but most are probably not driving to work every day in the aftermath of a hurricane if the power is out everywhere.
Also, good luck getting gas in those situations.
A person with solar panels or a natural gas whole-home generator, and an EV will be fine.
Also, good luck getting gas in those situations.
A person with solar panels or a natural gas whole-home generator, and an EV will be fine.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 10:04 pm to BeepNode
During Ida I always had access to electricity. Fuel itself was an issue
Posted on 6/12/22 at 11:10 pm to Korkstand
I believe that EVs should be an option for those whom it serves. My biggest problem is that those who fanatically promote them, often do so more out of the desire to be right- with indifference to those are negatively affected. Obviously, fossil fuels are not the long term solution. Like everything else on this earth, we are consuming faster than it can be replenished. I am grateful, for the future of my children, that we have come to this realization. But, we have time to figure out how to properly transition without flipping the world on its head. As in all situations- cooler heads will prevail.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 11:27 pm to CPTDCKHD
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My biggest problem is that those who fanatically promote them, often do so more out of the desire to be right- with indifference to those are negatively affected.
Show me where on the doll EVs hurt you.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 11:44 pm to CPTDCKHD
quote:Very nearly all of my EV promotion is in response to false assumptions and/or lies about them. There seems to be a propaganda campaign against them. Some of my motivation is also the fact that more EVs means less demand for gasoline, which applies downward pressure on prices. And I really can't imagine anyone being negatively affected by them, there are still plenty of gas-powered options and will be for a long time.
I believe that EVs should be an option for those whom it serves. My biggest problem is that those who fanatically promote them, often do so more out of the desire to be right- with indifference to those are negatively affected.
quote:I think that saying we're flipping the world on its head is a bit of an exaggeration. There is a strong push to EVs, no doubt, but even so it's going to take decades for us to approach a majority of vehicles on the road being EVs. Some will disagree with me, but IMO the cheaper and more stable transportation energy costs that EVs allow for will be a huge economic boost for all industries. The faster we get there, the faster we reap the rewards.
But, we have time to figure out how to properly transition without flipping the world on its head.
Posted on 6/12/22 at 11:50 pm to Korkstand
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Very nearly all of my EV promotion is in response to false assumptions and/or lies about them.
It's akin to the firearm discussion. I'm fine with people not liking them but the conversations with opponents have absolutely false information. Let's at least clear that up before disagreeing
Posted on 6/12/22 at 11:53 pm to BeepNode
Well, I don’t have any dolls, and I’m certainly not touching yours, but- if I show up at your house, to hang a ceiling fan, and ask you if I can charge my truck while I work- that hurts me. If I can’t make it to your house, because im stuck at a charging station- that hurts me.
I’m glad you enjoy your Tesla. If alls I had to do was drive to the office, maybe get lunch, and drive home (with a 200 lb payload) I’d get one too. But, I have to haul around a literal ton of tools and materials all over the place.
Like I said- I’m not opposed to EVs. Just make them the actual better option for anything, besides virtue signaling, and I promise I’ll buy one.
I’m glad you enjoy your Tesla. If alls I had to do was drive to the office, maybe get lunch, and drive home (with a 200 lb payload) I’d get one too. But, I have to haul around a literal ton of tools and materials all over the place.
Like I said- I’m not opposed to EVs. Just make them the actual better option for anything, besides virtue signaling, and I promise I’ll buy one.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:16 am to Korkstand
I don’t discredit that there are propaganda campaigns for and against. The vast majority of us are at the mercy of our phones when it comes to information. I’m a licensed electrician. One thing I do know- is that our current electrical grid absolutely will not support an abrupt replacement of gas to electric vehicles. It’s already struggling to keep up with heating and cooling demand.
Again, I am not against EVs. They very well may be the future (though I always imagined that the future would be nuclear). But we are not ready for this transition yet. IMO.
Again, I am not against EVs. They very well may be the future (though I always imagined that the future would be nuclear). But we are not ready for this transition yet. IMO.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:21 am to CPTDCKHD
You'll find many of us in agreement and wishing our elected idiots didn't legislate nuclear energy away
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:31 am to CPTDCKHD
quote:If an EV doesn't meet your requirements or hurts you in any way, don't buy one. You wouldn't buy a sedan to do the job of a truck. Right tool for the job.
if I show up at your house, to hang a ceiling fan, and ask you if I can charge my truck while I work- that hurts me. If I can’t make it to your house, because im stuck at a charging station- that hurts me.
That said (and I'm about to do more promoting here
), an electric truck could be absolutely ideal for something like a handyman's work, assuming you never or rarely drive more than the vehicle's range in a single day since you will likely start each day with a full charge. You could show up to a job site that doesn't have power hooked up yet and use all your plug-in tools without the hassle of hauling around a generator and fuel. And assuming fuel is a significant expense for you, you'd save a lot of money there. Again, buy the right tool for the job, but there is a chance that an electric truck could be a wise investment for you.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:49 am to CPTDCKHD
quote:See this is one of the talking points that is far overblown if not flat-out false. Why do you think the grid can't handle an "abrupt" transition to EVs? Switching to a 100% EV fleet in the US would require a roughly 25% increase in total output vs. today's consumption. Don't get me wrong, that is significant, but at the current rate of adoption it would take a couple decades to achieve that so likely only 1% increase per year. Very do-able, and I believe production was increased far faster in the 90s to power the tech boom. Also, given that the vast majority of EV charging happens at night during off-peak hours, we absolutely have enough excess capacity to charge a 100% EV fleet right now. Further, assuming backfeeding chargers like Ford's become common, more EVs could actually lessen the peak grid load by powering homes from the EV's battery exactly when consumption peaks (when people get home from work and fire up the lights and AC and appliances). Time-of-use pricing can encourage such habits.
I don’t discredit that there are propaganda campaigns for and against. The vast majority of us are at the mercy of our phones when it comes to information. I’m a licensed electrician. One thing I do know- is that our current electrical grid absolutely will not support an abrupt replacement of gas to electric vehicles. It’s already struggling to keep up with heating and cooling demand.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 6:09 am to Dixienourmous69
Same thread different day.
Most EV owners (in the south) are exactly like other drivers. We drive the vehicle that fits our needs, not some other guys needs.
Don’t let the media and politicians keep you fighting. Their only job is to divide us.
Most EV owners (in the south) are exactly like other drivers. We drive the vehicle that fits our needs, not some other guys needs.
Don’t let the media and politicians keep you fighting. Their only job is to divide us.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 9:41 pm to SECdragonmaster
People that hate EVs are no better than people that hate ICE trucks and SUVs.
Seems obvious that electric is the way to go for the majority of use-cases.
Those people in the majority can fight change, or join the EV master race and profit. People that are in the minority and would be better off with ICE vehicles, keep doing what you're doing. Maybe we'll help gas prices go down by decreasing demand.
eta: I have both a Tesla and a GMC pickup truck. I like them both but the Tesla is my daily driver.
Seems obvious that electric is the way to go for the majority of use-cases.
Those people in the majority can fight change, or join the EV master race and profit. People that are in the minority and would be better off with ICE vehicles, keep doing what you're doing. Maybe we'll help gas prices go down by decreasing demand.
eta: I have both a Tesla and a GMC pickup truck. I like them both but the Tesla is my daily driver.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 9:44 pm to Metrybaw
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There's no replacement for displacement
That is an argument for more cylinders vs forced induction. During the hurricane scenario, I'd rather have electric to have fuel bc you CAN find generators. You can't find working gas stations. And everyone has a can or two of gas left. Energy is more efficient I think that way.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 9:50 pm to Dixienourmous69
I would like to hear Brandon’s answer for this.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 9:53 pm to BZ504
quote:
I would like to hear Brandon’s answer for this.
Brandon wants you to forget that EVs are a thing until "good" companies (i.e. not Tesla) can ramp up production and get decent vehicles out there. Once a enough non-Teslas are built then he will push for EVs again.
Right now they dont want to help mean twitter daddy Elon.
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