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re: EIA: US Crude Exports Reached Record High 1st Half 2023

Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:19 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:19 am to
FTR, the US has long been a refined products exporter.

We do not consume 75% of products from our refineries here.

Major refiners depend on the export market.

Valero's refinery in Meraux (Chalmette) was reconfigured with a condensate splitter added to enable it to use Eagle Ford crude, and a hydrocracker added to produce more diesel than previously. Valero bought and reconfigured it with the European market in mind.
Posted by Tomatocantender
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:24 am to
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FTR, the US has long been a refined products exporter.


Great, start another OP thread on this topic if you like, but this literally has nothing to do with the OP which focuses on crude oil in literally every paragraph of said OP.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:34 am to
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Thank you for the insight


The refinery I am in discussions with was shutdown due declining light sweet crude fields nearby. The tight shale crude now in the region is very light and decreases refinery throughput by over 35%. Over 25% reduction means bankruptcy of the refinery.

I had a deal to buy a refinery in OK in 2011 which had to shutter when the local crude sources went from around 40 API gravity to 60 API gravity. Throughput capacity declined by 30%. I had a deal to sell to Libya, via a Maltese trading company owned by a Tunisian, for a 15,000 BPD refinery for a 40 API low sulfur crude near the Tunisian border. Daffy Duck was overthrown, and what turned into 200+ Blood and Crips made any investment there quite stupid if achievable at all.

In addition, a major pipeline nearby switched from WTI crude to Canadian heavy crude going from Cushing to Borger after Phillips66 in Borger reconfigured to dilbit (a blend of WCS, West Canada Sour, and diluent, which is usually naphtha, unfinished diesel, or Eagle Ford crude) FWIW, Eagle Ford crude was shipped from Corpus to LOOP then pipelined up Capline to near Chicago then pipelined to Canada by Enbridge to use to blend with Canadian very heavy produced crude, 10-12 API gravity (or like tar) to make the very heavy crude flow down pipelines. The produced crude in Canada is from drilling horizontal wells for steam to be put into the formation and flow very heavy crude out of the formation via another well.

Look, I don't expect very many on this entire website to understand shiite from shinola about crude oil and refining, but they throw a lot of shiite in these discussion because they don't know shiite from shinola about it. Some might be from the oil patch, some might be from refining, but there is a bigger picture than what they see.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:40 am to
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Great, start another OP thread on this topic if you like, but this literally has nothing to do with the OP which focuses on crude oil in literally every paragraph of said OP.


We are a net exporter of crude oil after including the refined products from domestic and imported crude are considered. Major refineries depend on exports to remain in business.

Take the former Shell refinery in Deer Park, TX. It has been importing Mexican crude since the 1980's BECAUSE Shell had a deal with Mexico to export almost all of the gasoline to Mexico. The name changed to Deer Park Manufacturing Complex due PEMEX bought 50% of the refinery to pay for all the additional downstream units. Recently, Shell sold the rest to PEMEX.
Posted by Tomatocantender
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 8:53 am to
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We are a net exporter of crude oil


The OP article literally says the 180 degree opposite of that...it explicitly states NET crude oil importer meaning it's factored in all the variables...not Gross...it says Net.

This is also a slap in the face of all those previous posters I mentioned. That's why they haven't responded with notiger1997 only able to muster up an LOL because he's embarrassed. The chatty Cathy fighting tigers idiot also is crickets as well. They've spent months calling others like me an idiot for even suggesting we need to refill the emergency crude oil reserves because of this phantom notion that the US is a net (not gross) crude oil exporter.
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:03 am to
Will this negatively impact the price of crawfish?
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:03 am to
Do you have a real point? Would you be more excited if everyone turned into sky screamers on the subject and acted like we have no oil and gas and the world is about to crash and burn?
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:28 am to
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Will this negatively impact the price of crawfish?


Might cause destruction demand and live crawfish prices tumble to pre-2005 levels.
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 9:36 am
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:28 am to
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Do you have a real point? Would you be more excited if everyone turned into sky screamers on the subject and acted like we have no oil and gas and the world is about to crash and burn?


We import crude oil only for the needs of refineries. If all that refineries made profit on was gasoline, jet fuel and diesel, then no imports needed. The prices of those three commodities would increase without other products being sold

Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:28 am to
THIS is the kind of entertainment I was hoping for this hump day morning!
Posted by notiger1997
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:33 am to
LOL
I appreciate your post on this subject. Keep up the good work
Posted by Tomatocantender
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:34 am to
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Do you have a real point?


I know reading comprehension can be a little tough as my point was clearly stated a whopping 2 posts up from yours. Let me slow it down for you and re-state it so that you can gnaw on that bone: We need to re-fill our emergency reserves because the US is not a net crude oil exporter...a concept that you and your little gang have regurgitated here for months only now to look like a fool.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:38 am to
Meh
Back to your other post. I don't think I've ever got into the intricate details debate about if we are a net importer/exporter.
I also don't think for a second that we should believe the chest pounding that we were "energy independent" under Trump.

The OP brings good info that is factually correct quite often onto the OT and it's refreshing compared to the sky screamer narrative that is often seen here.
Posted by Tomatocantender
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Member since Jun 2021
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:43 am to
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we should believe the chest pounding that we were "energy independent" under Trump.


You're in good company because Trump himself never said we were energy independent under him either. He said we were on the road to energy independence under his administration. Every damn post you make, there are nuances to it. You can't even quote our former president correctly. Jesus Christ man.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:44 am to
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we were "energy independent" under Trump.

We still were a net importer of crude oil.


We do need to try to fill the reserve up to at least 45 days minimum imo, but if shite hits the fan (more than covid) that will dry up quick too.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58198 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:44 am to
LOL
The energy independent comment has been posted 1400 times on here.
Posted by Tomatocantender
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4780 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:47 am to
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The energy independent comment has been posted 1400 times on here.


I don't care about 1400 keyboard typers, I care about what Donald Trump said from his own mouth which was "WE WERE ON THE ROAD TO ENERGY INDEPENDENCE....." If I have to define what "on the road" is then you're dumber than Power-bottom, which is a feat in and of itself.
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 9:48 am
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:50 am to
I mean we still are “on the road” to energy independence and we are closer than ever. We produce more oil than any other country and new domestic sources of energy are coming online every single day.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58198 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:51 am to
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We do need to try to fill the reserve up to at least 45 days minimum imo,


Yep.
And the nimrod shouldn’t have sold it in the first place
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21321 posts
Posted on 10/11/23 at 9:56 am to
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Importantly, after decades of rising energy costs, the United States had finally attained the impossible dream of American energy independence, which soon would’ve turned into energy dominance.


From former President Trump’s 2024 campaign announcement transcript.

LINK

Also, reading through, noticed this that he also said:

quote:

As we speak, inflation is the highest in over 50 years, gas prices have reached the highest levels in history, and expect them to go much higher now that the strategic national reserves, which I filled up, have been virtually drained in order to keep gasoline prices lower just prior to the election.


Yet according to the graph in this article (I don’t know how to post pictures here), looks like the SPR had less in it when President Trump left office than when he arrived.

LINK /

Of course, wouldn’t be the first time a politician has lied or “misspoke” to the American people, and I’d still prefer him in the White House over Biden. But still interesting nevertheless.
This post was edited on 10/11/23 at 9:58 am
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