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re: Drone laws/rules: Can a drone operate autonomously (no line-of-sight)
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:19 am to im4LSU
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:19 am to im4LSU
quote:I'm working with a South Korean firm on some drone solutions that have multiple focal planes for visible, thermal and SWIR, will be managed from as far as 75 miles away, self charging, self storing in weather-proof enclosures and can be installed on top of buildings. The enclosures are temperature controlled, and open up when the drone needs to take off, then close when the drone returns.
Disclaimer: I’m FAA part 107 certified. I fly drones for an oil company. And I have my own drone side hustle. I’m not blowing smoke
Would be used for traffic management, police surveillance, and emergency operations, etc.
At an operations center, AI would determine which drone is closest to an "event" and then load 3D geomapping data into the drone for the location it is being sent to. Once it arrives, it is then controlled by a "pilot" who sits at an operations center and is communicating with police, fire, EMS and traffic management to provide views they request. The drone is monitored by AI for its availability to return and if AI determines it needs to return it notifies another "next closest" drone to fly to the event, and once there, the pilot control automatically flips over to the new drone and the first drone immediately returns to its own base.
This is not in the USA.
Yet.
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:20 am to Fat and Happy
quote:
You do not own the air space above your house. A drone can fly above your house and there is nothing you can do.
This is wrong
ETA: a drone (or aircraft) can transit, it cannot loiter (unless for some sort of valid law enforcement purpose)
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 8:48 am
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:26 am to CutTheCord
quote:
He can file for Part 107 and then claim he's making a video about home security.
Once uploaded to the internet and he makes revenue, it's a job.
Correct.
Then you're assuming he or his VO is going to stand outside 24/7 to watch the drone? If not, he has a waiver from the FAA (which wouldnt be granted for this), which doesnt act in perpetuity. So he would have to keep filing.
Then the weather and location comes into play. Depending on where OPs house is and what airspace he is in, he may or may not be able to fly at all.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:27 am to HubbaBubba
quote:
I'm working with a South Korean firm on some drone solutions that have multiple focal planes for visible, thermal and SWIR, will be managed from as far as 75 miles away, self charging, self storing in weather-proof enclosures and can be installed on top of buildings. The enclosures are temperature controlled, and open up when the drone needs to take off, then close when the drone returns.
Would be used for traffic management, police surveillance, and emergency operations, etc.
At an operations center, AI would determine which drone is closest to an "event" and then load 3D geomapping data into the drone for the location it is being sent to. Once it arrives, it is then controlled by a "pilot" who sits at an operations center and is communicating with police, fire, EMS and traffic management to provide views they request. The drone is monitored by AI for its availability to return and if AI determines it needs to return it notifies another "next closest" drone to fly to the event, and once there, the pilot control automatically flips over to the new drone and the first drone immediately returns to its own base.
This is not in the USA.
Yet.
DJI Matrice M30T?
Thats what I fly at work.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:31 am to HubbaBubba
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Would be used for traffic management, police surveillance, and emergency operations, following me to Rouse’s, making sure I picked up poop walking the dogs, fining me for blowing grass on the neighbors yard, turning me in to authorities for my A/C compressor running too much, etc.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:31 am to CutTheCord
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I fly my drone wherever I want, whenever I want. Never been stopped or questioned.
I fired shots at one flying over my place. Dude showed up raising hell, I told him the shot was a warning if it happened again he would be without a drone.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:46 am to Korkstand
14 CFR 107
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 8:47 am
Posted on 10/8/22 at 9:14 am to Korkstand
forgiveness >>> permission
Posted on 10/8/22 at 9:24 am to TigerRad
quote:
forgiveness >>> permission
$$$$$
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:16 am to im4LSU
quote:DJI is Chinese, not South Korean.
DJI Matrice M30T?
Coretronic Intelligent Robotics Corporation.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:22 am to udtiger
quote:
This is wrong
ETA: a drone (or aircraft) can transit, it cannot loiter (unless for some sort of valid law enforcement purpose)
Can you cite the chapter and verse on this?
My sister lived next to the Rose Bowl and helicopters would hover above her house for hours at a time. It was miserable.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 10:28 am to Korkstand
quote:
Does the "visual observer" have to be human?
Can you just get another drone to watch it.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 11:15 am to udtiger
quote:
ETA: a drone (or aircraft) can transit, it cannot loiter
I assume transit and loiter are not defined in this rule. Going to depend on the interpretation of loiter. If it takes an hour to cross my 100ft wide property is it loitering or transiting?
Posted on 10/8/22 at 11:21 am to holmesbr
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If it takes an hour to cross my 100ft wide property is it loitering or transiting
It's a smoldering heap in your grass
Posted on 10/8/22 at 12:12 pm to im4LSU
quote:Do any of these rules apply if it's a land-based rover?
No. You have to have visual line of sight to be legal
quote:
Can I observe it through a window?
Nope
quote:
Does the “visual observer” have to be human?
Yes
Edit: surely not since robo mowers exist.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 10/8/22 at 12:21 pm to Korkstand
Erect a 60 foot pole and stick a cam up there
Posted on 10/8/22 at 12:28 pm to Sao
quote:
Erect a 60 foot pole and stick a cam up there
60 feet up is kind of useless for ID purposes. Looking for low angles and close proximity.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 12:33 pm to Korkstand
So then if rovers are fine and there's something special about being airborne, where do you draw that line? Can my rover have a tiny drone tethered to it? Can my drone have a tiny rover tethered to it touching the ground?
Posted on 10/8/22 at 12:56 pm to Slingscode
quote:That's fine.
Done may not last long if you swarm someone with it.
The intent is to ID these jacklegs going house to house checking if cars are unlocked. If you want to shoot at my drone and wake the neighborhood, have at it.
I think it's more likely they'll find some other neighborhood to prowl.
Posted on 10/8/22 at 1:05 pm to billjamin
quote:Yeah that's where I was going with that.quote:Can you just get another drone to watch it.
Does the "visual observer" have to be human?
Or can my I observe via video? Someone said you can't even observe through a window, so I assume you can't via video either.
I just despise rules and regs telling me what I can or can't do on my own property. I get that we have to keep the skies safe and prevent snooping and shite, but these blanket rules are nonsense. I should be able to throw a frisbee in my yard and not have to watch where it lands. I should be able to put a rotor on the frisbee and do the same. And the frisbee should be able to return to me on its own without me having to watch it. If something goes wrong and it leaves my yard, if something bad comes of it yeah that can be my fault for fricking around.
Can I tether my drones to the ground so that they can't leave the yard nor go above 50 feet? I could cover an acre with a handful of those and get any camera angle I want.
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