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re: Drive Sober or Get Pulled Over
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:21 am to CidCock
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:21 am to CidCock
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Between 2008-12, we had 17,503 fatal or severe injury collisions. Over 1/4 involved alcohol. That's pretty freaking significant IMO.
Geez... Sounds like driving sober is a huge problem in SC
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:23 am to CidCock
quote:There are sooo many accidents involving this, it is ridiculous. I have been in 3 because of it. Bumped into a girl while driving, and have had two people hit me while dicking around on their phone. It's not bad luck, it is just the fact that so many people do it, it's bound to happen.
Very much agree. "distracted" drivers are becoming the new drunk drivers
Absolutely zero is being done about it.....unless cops need a reason to pull kids over at night for DWI.
You know what else causes accidents and road rage? Hogging the left lane. Yeah it's illegal, but no one is pulled over for it....unless cops need a reason to pull people over for DWI at night.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:24 am to LNCHBOX
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1) Violent crime is not trending up in NOLA
it is amazing the rest of crime is down but rape and murder are both up
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There were 92 murders in New Orleans from January through June, according to figures released Friday. That is a 30 percent increase over the 71 murders in the first half of 2014.
Rape increased from 98 to 152, a spike of more than 55 percent. Police chief Michael Harrison says more rape victims are coming forward to report the crime after an overhaul of the police sex crimes unit. The changes came after a city inspector general's report that was highly critical of the unit.
seems pretty fishy LINK
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:24 am to KBeezy
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Geez... Sounds like driving sober is a huge problem in SC
LOL, 17,000 families destroyed from tragedy, totally hilarious.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:26 am to Icansee4miles
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when we have violent crime seemingly growing in popular tourist areas that New Orleans relies on to drive their economy?

Doom and gloom, listen to everything the news says type?
The world may be getting smaller, but violent crime isn't 'growing popular." It's just getting more media coverage.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:28 am to LNCHBOX
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According to the Highway Safety Research Group, 365 total fatal crashes in LA this year, of which 136 were caused by the impaired driver.
Ok....but that pool can be diluted further, because 230 fatal crashes were caused by the non-impaired driver. Even "sober" drivers make mistakes. Out of the 136, how many would have happened regardless of alcohol? Obviously, there are some.....(i.e., guy falls asleep while driving; guy drives wrong way down I-10) However, there are some that were likely caused by typical distractions that were probably the basis for the 230 fatal crashes (i.e. texting, playing with radio, etc...) So, the stats are not "black and white". I'd guess that probably 80 of those 136 were actually caused by the "drunken" status of the driver. Still not a good number, but not the "epidemic" that is thrown around. Not advocating drinking and driving. I lost friends who got drunk and ran into a tree. However, MADD is like all other lobbying organizations...they like to work the numbers....which is obvious by the "alcohol-related" benchmark that gets thrown around. If you don't think checkpoints are about nothing but money, you are kidding yourself. I believe they are a violation of constitutional rights to be free from warrantless searches and seizures. (You shouldn't get pulled over if you haven't done anything.) The way they get around that is the "numbers" that are thrown around...i.e. "alcohol related accidents". And that's how that works.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:28 am to SabiDojo
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Toxicology results are also not always conclusive.
Again...no argument at all.
But those are mechanics that can, presumably, be worked out with better tech, training, etc.
The real issue to me is...can we even all agree that driving impaired by alcohol OUGHT TO BE something you don't do? That seems like the starting point. If people can't even agree that that ought to be the goal, then there's really not an honest discussion that's going to take place afterwards about all the "problems" in regards to how to judge impairment, etc. Not saying you are, btw...just that in general there seems to be a lack of desire to even consider this an issue that needs to be taken seriously.
I'd bet you'd have a hard time getting the majority of LA residents to agree without tacking on a bunch of caveats.
I'm not some crazy anti-drinking Nazi. I'm not a big drinker, and never was...even in college. I'll have a couple of drinks on the weekend, and actually am one of the only people in Tiger Stadium stone cold sober every week! haha This is not some teetotaler stance for me, but one where I'm really more concerned with people getting hurt unnecessarily. Alcohol is just the biggest target now, though as I said earlier I'd bet at this point, if it could somehow be tracked well, as many accidents are caused by distracted drivers as are impaired ones.

Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:29 am to rumproast
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However, MADD is like all other lobbying organizations..
NHTSA doesn't get their stats from MADD.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:31 am to GeauxTigerTM
I agree that driving over the legal limit is something we should all not do. However, dishonest investigations on the part of police and the inappropriate, dishonest rhetoric surrounding DUI laws caused by ignorance and visceral emotions are a huge problem that cause constitutional problems we cannot ignore.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:33 am to GeauxTigerTM
From what I've seen, kids now are significantly less likely to drive drunk than 10-15 years ago. I have no idea why. Probably not due to enforcement or anything, they just don't do it
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:36 am to LNCHBOX
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According to the Highway Safety Research Group, 365 total fatal crashes in LA this year, of which 136 were caused by the impaired driver.
That's not what it says, it says 136 "Vehicles with Alcohol Involvement". It doesn't say if that vehicle caused the accident, if the driver was legally drunk, or if alcohol was the cause of the accident.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:36 am to jbgleason
One of the bigger driving factors in the campaign is that the people killed/injured in alcohol related accidents are from all walks of society, while the people murdered in New Orleans tend to be from a specific segment.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:37 am to Dire Wolf
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it is amazing the rest of crime is down but rape and murder are both up
Way to use one half of one year to make a point instead of the using the last decade to get a more accurate trend.
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These were among the 150 people slain in New Orleans in 2014. It was the lowest number of criminal homicides recorded in the city since 1971 and the city's lowest per-capita murder rate since 1999
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:38 am to yellowfin
Nvm.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 8:43 am
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:51 am to TigerHam85
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The way I interpreted the OP is why not focus a little more on preventing people from getting robbed, stabbed and shot in New Orleans and at gas stations in Baton Rouge rather than trying to bust every swinging dick who had an old fashioned at dinner and decided to drive home
Thank you Ham. You stated it more succinctly than I did.
And to the ones that asked about how many DUI's I have? Zero. Zip. Nada. And and I've got Uber and Yellow Cab bills to prove it. I'm just trying to say that I'm a lot more worried about my personal safety walking around in New Orleans, or driving in certain parts of Baton Rouge, including close to me, or for that matter, the teenager texting while driving down Essen at rush hour, than I am from an encounter with an impaired driver. How ever many officers and units that are parked at these checkpoints (in Baton Rouge, always in the more affluent areas of town or after certain well publicized events) are that many resources not pounding the streets of the FQ, or driving around in areas where they would be a deterrent to crime. In cases where I as a taxpayer am paying for limited resources, I just want to make sure that officials are allocating them appropriately.
Footnote: I'm quite certain I would feel differently if I had been personally impacted by an impaired driver, just as I would expect people impacted by a violent crime would feel differently. Thankfully, I've not experienced either first-hand.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:53 am to slackster
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One of the bigger driving factors in the campaign is that the people killed/injured in alcohol related accidents are from all walks of society,
When was the last time there was a checkpoint in BR in the hood? I've never seen one. Only in areas with folks capable of paying up....
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:59 am to LNCHBOX
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These were among the 150 people slain in New Orleans in 2014. It was the lowest number of criminal homicides recorded in the city since 1971 and the city's lowest per-capita murder rate since 1999
So, New Orleans is bragging about there ONLY being 150 murders....using statistics posted above, there were more in that one city than all the fatalities state-wide involving an impaired driver, and as was pointed out, some percentage of those were likely due to some other screwup that may or may not have been related to their BAC.
This is why I'd rather more boots on the ground than fannies in the van at checkpoints. Again, that's just one man's opinion.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:00 am to Icansee4miles
My whole issue with most of the ads are that they focus on the monetary impact of the DUI. Not the actual safety impact.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:31 am to Golfer
Agreed, but unfortunately that is probably more effective.
People are far more likely to know someone with a DUI than they are to know someone involved in an alcohol related accident.
I had a close friend killed by a man with 4 prior DUIs before he finally killed someone.
People are far more likely to know someone with a DUI than they are to know someone involved in an alcohol related accident.
I had a close friend killed by a man with 4 prior DUIs before he finally killed someone.
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