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Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:54 am to CidCock
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Between 2008-12, we had 17,503 fatal or severe injury collisions. Over 1/4 involved alcohol. That's pretty freaking significant IMO.
So 75% of fatal severe injury collisions had nothing to do with alcohol.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:55 am to T
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So 75% of fatal severe injury collisions had nothing to do with alcohol.
Yep, that's correct. We average 38,000 fatals per year in the USA, so 9,000 involve alcohol.
ETA: What do you think is an acceptable number?
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 7:57 am
Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:56 am to moneyg
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What are the stats?
In Houston, Dallas, Shreveport, Chicago, Baton Rouge and everywhere else people were sent to during Katrina
Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:56 am to yellowfin
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That doesn't mean alcohol was the cause of the accident like they want you to believe
Who is "they"? Are you advocating drinking and driving?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:57 am to CidCock
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Who is "they"?
mostly MADD
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Are you advocating drinking and driving?
I'm not
Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:59 am to yellowfin
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mostly MADD
I work in highway safety, not MADD. I can assure you, we don't profit off of DUI's. Our goal is 100% of reducing injury and fatal accidents.
10,000 dead per year of something that is easily preventable, seems to be a worthwhile cause.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 8:00 am
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:01 am to Kracka
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I'd rather the state make an effort to teach people how to drive on I-10
I'd rather the state put the money in to sustainable/safe/efficent public transportation not called CATS and in an area where it's safe to travel after the street lights come on.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:01 am to CidCock
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I work in highway safety. I can assure you, we don't profit off of DUI's.
local governments do
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:02 am to CidCock
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10,000 dead per year of something that is easily preventable, seems to be a worthwhile cause.
Somehow I don't believe that.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:05 am to Bdog9090
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"If you Drink you go to the Clink" or some such shite.
frankly,i think they would get better results if it was more honest...like"drive sober,or give us every dime you have and will earn for the next 2-3 years"
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:05 am to CidCock
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10,000 dead per year of something that is easily preventable, seems to be a worthwhile cause.
I agree wholeheartedly with this...but you'll run into a brick wall here because it seems that there is always an excuse for why drinking and riving is ok. Cultural thing in LA.
That being said, at this point because of WHEN I and my family are on the roads most often, I'm FAAAAAAAR more worried about getting into an accident with some asshat staring into their lap at their Facebook page, or to make some quip to Instagram or to message someone else than I am getting run into by a drunk driver. In fact, the only time I'm hyper aware of that possibility is leaving games at Tiger Stadium, and even then a huge percentage of driver's faces are lit up by the device in their laps while driving on the god damned interstate...
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:09 am to GeauxTigerTM
DUI cases are so fun to defend. Most police officers are horrible at it.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:11 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I agree wholeheartedly with this...but you'll run into a brick wall here because it seems that there is always an excuse for why drinking and riving is ok. Cultural thing in LA.
That being said, at this point because of WHEN I and my family are on the roads most often, I'm FAAAAAAAR more worried about getting into an accident with some asshat staring into their lap at their Facebook page, or to make some quip to Instagram or to message someone else than I am getting run into by a drunk driver. In fact, the only time I'm hyper aware of that possibility is leaving games at Tiger Stadium, and even then a huge percentage of driver's faces are lit up by the device in their laps while driving on the god damned interstate...
Very much agree. "distracted" drivers are becoming the new drunk drivers.
And, like driving under influence, it's not seen as a big deal because "everyone does it" and the odds of getting in trouble are pretty rare.
In SuperFreakanomics, they estimate that 1 out of every 140 miles is driven drunk in the USA, but the odds of getting caught are pretty low due to lack of enforcement and number of offenders. Statistically, you could drive 27,000 miles drunk before getting pulled for a DUI.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:13 am to GeauxTigerTM
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excuse for why drinking and riving is ok
It all comes down to the sticky part of what is an acceptable blood alcohol level? Governments have an incentive to push it as low as they can, both to satisfy the "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!??!??" crowd and to increase revenues. You have the rationalization that it saves lives, the pressure from special interest groups and state legislatures to bring in more money, and obviously the opportunity to keep lowering the bac.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:15 am to SabiDojo
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DUI cases are so fun to defend. Most police officers are horrible at it.
Based on recent stories, police seem to be getting horrible at most things...which is pretty sad in it's own right.
And obviously there is the issue of where to draw the line to determine what's impaired and what isn't...no argument there.
My only issue is the quite clear lack of giving a shite at all that far too many in LA have to this entire issue...as if it's not an issue AT ALL. As someone who's had their life turned upside down due to an automobile accident (family member and not alcohol related, FWIW) I hate thinking about accidents that are caused by stupid people doing stupid, preventable things. Alcohol impairment is only one of those... Driving can be dangerous enough all on it's own without purposefully doing things that can lead to harm to yourself or others.
Seems easy enough...but it would require personal responsibility for people to stop the behavior, and clearly people have o interest in doing that on an individual basis.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:18 am to Icansee4miles
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drive sober or get pulled over
I prefer:
Get buzzed and face the Fuzz
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:18 am to GeauxTigerTM
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And obviously there is the issue of where to draw the line to determine what's impaired and what isn't...no argument there
Well, the Intoxilyzer 8000 has proven to be an incredibly flawed machine. Toxicology results are also not always conclusive.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:20 am to Jcorye1
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It all comes down to the sticky part of what is an acceptable blood alcohol level? Governments have an incentive to push it as low as they can, both to satisfy the "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!??!??" crowd and to increase revenues. You have the rationalization that it saves lives, the pressure from special interest groups and state legislatures to bring in more money, and obviously the opportunity to keep lowering the bac.
It's all politics concerning BAC. Sad truth, most legislatures are made up of a lot of attorneys, many of which try these cases (or have friends who do). They are the ones profiting off of DUI's (plus insurance companies), not the local governments. The cost of enforcement greatly exceeds any revenue from charges. I can assure you of that.
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