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re: Dr. Richard Saul: ADHD Does Not Exist
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:41 pm to Displaced
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:41 pm to Displaced
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the title of this thread is the title of the linked article with the doctors full name...
I meant the title of his article because I feel he focused more on mistreating ADHD by giving kids stimulants rather then diet and activity changes.
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:42 pm to Dire Wolf
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feel he focused more on mistreating ADHD by giving kids stimulants rather then diet and activity changes.
i thought he focused on misdiagnosing ADHD in a large % of patients and then goes further to say that those lefto over should treat other issues that are incorrectly labled as ADHD.
i think it is an interesting article.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:46 pm to Displaced
I think you don't know what the frick you are talking about
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:48 pm to Displaced
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i thought he focused on misdiagnosing ADHD in a large % of patients and then goes further to say that those lefto over should treat other issues that are incorrectly labled as ADHD.
Totally but I think the title is there for shock value rather then reflecting his true arguemeny. This something I have lived so rather have rational dialogue then the polarization conversations that's in this thread.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:51 pm to Wooly
cool man...
that is good value added right there.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:56 pm to Displaced
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I have always thought this "disease" to be a sham.
I have it. Or at least something. My body reacts differently to drugs such as Adderrall than yours does. Unlike the normal person, which is amped up on it. It puts me on the floor. I have next to no energy, I can sleep 16 hours a day. Just slows me way down.
Stimulants "treat" me, but by doing the opposite of what stimulants are supposed to do.
Besides this part of what he said.
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those who have another condition or disorder that requires individual treatment.
I thought was always the case. ADHD is just an umbrella term for a similar set of issues that all have different sources.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:04 pm to Dire Wolf
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As a dyslixic who was given add meds most of my life and refused to take them for years. I am huge a-hole when I take those pills....
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However I have seen them do wonders for people...
LSUZombie:
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I went to a top student within weeks of being on this medicine.
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But the adderall, for me did something different. There were students at Jesuit who were dumbasses and startedtaking Ritalin soon after and were still dumbasses.
Why does the meds work for some and not others? This is an extremely common question... The answer is...
Balance
More and more, ADHD is viewed as a slight imbalance in the child's neuro-chemistry. This slight imbalance in their neurotransmitters is responsible for the symptoms of impulsiveness and/or inattentiveness.
The ADHD meds correct that imbalance, and once their neuro-chemistry become balance, the child is able to achieve his/her full potential (kinda like corrective glasses).
However, if a child does not have ADHD... their neuro chemistry is balanced, thus, taking the medication will unbalanced their neurotransmitters leading to adverse effects.
Quite Zen....
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:06 pm to VaBamaMan
Who cares if it's over diagnosed? If this is supposed to be an anti adderall argument then I don't see the point. If the parents make sure to use the appropriate dose and there are no harmful side effects, and it WORKS, why the hell shouldn't you take it? I went to the doctor in college because my course load required me to study for 5+ hours some days and I was struggling. He prescribed me adderall and it was a miracle worker. Got rid of my anxiety and I was able to concentrate for hours. Do I have so called "ADHD"? Probably not, but those pills were a great thing for me.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:07 pm to Drew Orleans
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Strawman argument, but we can have that discussion after my lunch break if you'd like.
Then why do you keep saying this:
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Shouldn't we be for those with better genetics to do better, as far as the advancement of the human race goes?
So Dwayne Bowe dropped a lot of balls at LSU because he had poor vision. He got eye surgery to correct his so called poor genetics, and he is now a multimillionaire playing pro football.
Natural selection doesn't really work with modern man the same way it once did.
Due to the advances in modern medicine, people with illnesses and disabilities can go on to be productive members of society, and then pass on their poor genetics to the next generation.
Saying that people need to just suck it up because they have poor genetics is bordering on the line if thinking of eugenics.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:07 pm to Drew Orleans
Fair? When is life ever fair?
The medicine helps a person who has a "genetic" problem as some of you call it, realize their full intellectual potential. When, in that event , that person starts to out perform you, you see that as unfair. But in reality, they already had a higher intellectual ability than you. The medicine just removes the barrier, allowing them to move into their rightful place ahead of you.
Would the medicine help you? Probably not, as you apparently have no chemical barriers impeding your ability to organize, study, focus,etc.. You are just average by nature. No excuses. Just plain average. Yet, you cry "unfair,unfair" when modern medicine allows for the cream to rise above you.
As an employer, I am selecting the one who is going to stay focused on his job, not the one bitching about unfairness of intellect on TD all day.
The medicine helps a person who has a "genetic" problem as some of you call it, realize their full intellectual potential. When, in that event , that person starts to out perform you, you see that as unfair. But in reality, they already had a higher intellectual ability than you. The medicine just removes the barrier, allowing them to move into their rightful place ahead of you.
Would the medicine help you? Probably not, as you apparently have no chemical barriers impeding your ability to organize, study, focus,etc.. You are just average by nature. No excuses. Just plain average. Yet, you cry "unfair,unfair" when modern medicine allows for the cream to rise above you.
As an employer, I am selecting the one who is going to stay focused on his job, not the one bitching about unfairness of intellect on TD all day.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:17 pm to Drew Orleans
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Shouldn't we be for those with better genetics to do better, as far as the advancement of the human race goes?
Very Neanderthal way of looking at the world.
So we are going to not allow people to wear corrective glasses during a test, because they have poor eye sight genes?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:17 pm to Aubie Spr96
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I wonder how many cases of ADHD could be solved by simply following this advice?
60-70%.
They hand out that diagnosis like candy.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:35 pm to Drew Orleans
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Nope, just want it to take care of itself naturally.
So if all of the nearsighted people quit wearing glasses, that problem will take care of itself naturally as well?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:40 pm to Drew Orleans
It isn't just about day dreaming.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:41 pm to Drew Orleans
BS Drew!
I have battled stage IV lymphoma for 3 years. Been in remission before a relapse. Had to get a stem cell transplant last year and currently in the clear again. Thanks to modern medicine, and maybe some of my own genetic make up, I have beaten the odds.....so far.
Say, I go on living a healthy life from here on and can re-enter the work place soon. Say I get hired over another person for a certain position. Should that person be mad that medicine allowed me to go on living, thus, taking a job that he might have had if things were allowed to be " taken care of naturally?"
I have battled stage IV lymphoma for 3 years. Been in remission before a relapse. Had to get a stem cell transplant last year and currently in the clear again. Thanks to modern medicine, and maybe some of my own genetic make up, I have beaten the odds.....so far.
Say, I go on living a healthy life from here on and can re-enter the work place soon. Say I get hired over another person for a certain position. Should that person be mad that medicine allowed me to go on living, thus, taking a job that he might have had if things were allowed to be " taken care of naturally?"
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:47 pm to Drew Orleans
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If you're smarter than them
I thought you said that ADD is related to IQ?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:49 pm to Displaced
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:53 pm to Drew Orleans
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Irrelevant point considering the test to is measure knowledge.
Relevant point: if you are nearsighted, you are less likely able to attain 'knowledge' than someone with 20/20 vision... in reading, attending class, lectures, etc...
Relevant example: Stephen Hawkings without special machines and computer to aid his needs, he is as useless as a slab of beacon...
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:53 pm to Drew Orleans
Reading through 10 pages of this shite is making my restless leg syndrome act up.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 1:58 pm to Drew Orleans
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Shouldn't we be for those with better genetics to do better, as far as the advancement of the human race goes?
Good grief Adolph.
We have meds available that you have admitted are beneficial towards enhancing the abilities of people with disabilities.
Do you not understand one of the founding tenets of the medical profession?
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