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re: Doubt this has happened to a TDer before.

Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:09 am to
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:09 am to
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You know, for most people, that may be the right way to look at it, and may still be right here, but she waited until he was a grown man to even consider making contact. His adoptive parents stood in the way, even though he should have been able to make his own decision.


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Posted by islandtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2012
1787 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:09 am to
As a parent of an adopted child, I have a little understanding about what you are going through. We were always open about her adoption and supported her efforts to contact her birth mother when she was a teenager. State laws differ, but most states support birth parents and children connecting once the child is an adult. That said, I would support your wife's desire to meet he son's family to help her gain some understanding of her son's life. I wish you the best.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
25401 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:09 am to
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Again, and you seem to keep skipping over this point, they know better than anyone how he might react.


No, I've already addressed that. Conveying that message to the biological mother would have likely went over much better then simply returning her letters unopened with a response that was only characterized as "Stay out of our lives".

It seems more likely that this decision was based on selfish reasons rather than what their son would very likely want to know.
Posted by Nynna11
Member since Jul 2012
544 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:10 am to
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Why is it their duty? I could not disagree more. Again, if they knew it would cause damage then I would argue they should not tell him. I can’t imagine how hard it is telling your son after nearly 30 years of raising him that you’re essentially not his real parent. That’s a deterrent to adopt in and of itself in my opinion.


The healthy way, is to tell the child when he/she is old enough to understand (5 or 6 years old), Otherwise he/she will feel betrayed by adoptive parents when the situation is inevitably learned. Being "secret" would make it seem like there is something wrong with adoption.
This post was edited on 12/31/17 at 11:15 am
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
13919 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:11 am to
Your wife made a great sacrifice by giving her birth son up for adoption. A truly Motherly act to carry a child and realize the child would be better at that time with a family that is searching for a child... personally, I can't imagine not granting her the consideration of letting the child decide at adulthood, if not before.. I would give it some time and if she still feels the need to reach out, then I wouldn't hesitate in assisting a letter to the former spouse..
Posted by liz18lsu
Naples, FL
Member since Feb 2009
17685 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:12 am to
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very likely want to know.


Not in my case, so don't pretend to know what he "may" have wanted. He can't want something he doesn't know. You are making a strange and circular argument.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
138163 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:13 am to
27 years ago your wife made a very selfless decision.

Today she wants to make a very selfish decision.

She’s already contacted the adoptive parents. It was their wish for her not to pursue a relationship with their son. I think you have to respect their decision.

I do not envy your situation. I’m sure your wife is going through a range of emotions most people can’t understand.

You may want to get involved in some type of counseling. I imagine the guilt and grief could be unbearable.

Whatever you choose to do, I wish you good luck.
This post was edited on 12/31/17 at 11:14 am
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
25401 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:13 am to
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And you have said multiple times that the adoptive parents should have relayed relevant info to the mom. That has nothing to do with the son, and everything to do with the mom.


No, I'm saying if any of the reasons you've provided are legit (addiction problems, wouldn't want to know, etc.) it seems more likely than not they would have included those as reasons to try and convince the biological mother to stay away.

Instead they completely ignored her and told her to stay out of their lives.

That, at least to me, points more towards a selfish decision rather than one where they take into account what their son might want to know.
Posted by Bistineaubengal
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:13 am to
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Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71473 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:13 am to
Went over much better? Again, that has nothing to do with the son and everything to do with the mom. They do not owe mom anything. They certainly don’t have to share info on their son with her, and it’s not their obligation to pass along the letters.

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It seems more likely that this decision was based on selfish reasons rather than what their son would very likely want to know.


Completely disagree. To me it seems they have not told the son he is adopted, and didn’t want to then either, likely because they knew it would not go over well.

And you keep saying “very likely”. Listen, maybe you would want to know. But plenty of others, including folks in the thread, have said otherwise. Not everyone would want to know.
This post was edited on 12/31/17 at 11:15 am
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
25401 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:16 am to
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Not in my case


You're in the minority, I've already posted a poll where 88% of people would want to know.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
138163 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:16 am to
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That, at least to me, points more towards a selfish decision


I agree.

I just disagree with who is being selfish.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
25401 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:17 am to
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To me it seems they have not told the son he is adopted, and didn’t want to then either, likely because they knew it would not go over well.


What are you basing that off of?
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71473 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:17 am to
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it seems more likely than not they would have included those as reasons to try and convince the biological mother to stay away.


Yes, because then they are admitting to the bio mom that the kid they adopted from her might be fricked up in some way, and that is a reflection on them as parents. Why would they share info like that? Particularly to the Mom, and basically a stranger.
This post was edited on 12/31/17 at 11:18 am
Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
29422 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:17 am to
Damn Hubba - that's deep for a sunday morning...
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71473 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:19 am to
OP said he didn’t think they ever told the son. And then them returning the letters tells me they never informed the son. The latter is just my opinion based on context clues. If they didn’t think it would affect his and their lives in a bad way, why wouldn’t they tell him?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
25401 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:20 am to
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Why would they share info like that?


... to prevent what appears to be a fairly motivated biological mother from contacting their adopted son who's going through a very rough spot in life (your own suggestion).
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
138163 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:21 am to
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I've already posted a poll where 88% of people would want to know.


Seems to me this is one situations that 12% of people didn’t want to know.

There aren’t any strings attached with adoption. The adoptive parents have been clear they don’t want biological Mom to pursue a relationship. Why is it so hard to respect their decision?
Posted by islandtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2012
1787 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:22 am to
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The healthy way, is to tell the child when he/she is old enough to understand (5 or 6 years old),


I agree. We never kept it a secret fromnour daughter and shared pictures and other information about her bith mother as soon as she was old enough to understand the concept.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281998 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:22 am to
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. If they didn’t think it would affect his and their lives in a bad way, why wouldn’t they tell him?


When you keep a story this long, it's not easy to go back on.

I don't necessarily agree with the way the adoptive parents handled it, but I do understand why they wouldn't want the son to know.
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