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Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:31 pm to CCTider
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Maybe so. But I will mentioned the time I brought her to a blues festival in Larose. It was a festival that let dogs off-leash. Not only did I have strangers who introduced themselves because they met and played with her, people were jokingly calling her Miss Congeniality, because she said help to everyone like she was working the room at a cocktail party.
And after I put her in the tent Saturday night to keep partying. She apparently snuck out, and snuck into a random couples tent in the middle of the night, because she needed to cuddle with someone. Luckily, we had mutually friends, and they tossed her in my tent in the morning. I wouldn't have known if they didn't tell me.
As I said, pits and Staffys are intense breeds. If they are friendly, they are super friendly. Make them mean, and you have Cuju. If you see a mean pit, blame it's owner. They were either abusive or negligent.
Like I said, they're great dogs right up until the moment they're not....
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It was like a horror movie. It was like something I've never seen before," said one woman who asked to remain anonymous. "We're traumatized. The images are still in our minds. I can still see the baby."
Fulton County police said the boy's mother went to the bathroom and returned to find her child dead.
Police said the family had the dog for eight years.
Two-year-old boy killed by family dog in Fulton County
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“He received multiple lacerations to the stomach and to the side, to the point the intestines were coming out,” Thacker said.
The boy’s ear was almost torn off, his ribs were broken and he also had a bite over his eye, Thacker said.
Clearfield boy severely mauled by family's pit bull
Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:32 pm to CCTider
quote:There is NO DOUBT that socialization with people and other dogs is the best method to helping a dog cope and behave well. In that, you are correct and it sounds like your dog is well behaved.
CCTider
You and I both own dogs (I have 3 GSDs) that are physcially capable of destroying bone and tissue very quickly compared to smaller breeds, therefore the margin for error is very small. All it takes is that one bad moment. You take for granted that your dog won't find that one moment when someone runs away from him and sparks his prey drive or invades his personal space at the wrong time. This is the mistake owners most often make. I would use the same precautions with a toy/mini breed as I would my shepherds.
Edited for spelling.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:57 pm to CCTider
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As I said, pits and Staffys are intense breeds. If they are friendly, they are super friendly. Make them mean, and you have Cuju. If you see a mean pit, blame it's owner. They were either abusive or negligent.
Yeah. I have a Siberian Tiger and it is the sweetest thing. I've trained it well and all it every wants is it's belly scratched and teeth rubbed. Bring your kids over so they can play with it.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 1:14 pm to Bamadiver
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Bamadiver
This is very true. But I don't believe pit bulls are any more dangerous than any medium to large size breed. They're not the biggest, strongest, or fastest breed, and they don't even have the strongest bite. They just have hype as a dangerous breed. But all dogs can be dangerous.
Prey drive can definitely be a major concern. But that could be for any breed. I think it's down right foolish to leave an infant alone with a dog.
My biggest concern for any dog would be puppy Mills and inbreeding. The more popular the breed, the more inbreeding occurs. That's when personality problems can really occur
Posted on 2/23/15 at 1:31 pm to CCTider
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Prey drive can definitely be a major concern. But that could be for any breed.
That's my point. No dog, smallest to largest, should ever be written off as completely biteproof. Pitbulls get the bulk of the bad rap due to their current popularity in certain circles as well as mis-identification as you've already mentioned.
FWIW, bites come in two types and not just a function of psi. Tearing, like my male, and breaking, like my female. This applies to all breeds.
Great example while I'm thinking about it. Had my youngest pup at BassPro last night. Actually had her pushing the shopping basket at one point by the human handles but that's another story. She gets socialized constantly with dogs and people. She was petted several times during our visit, all by folks who asked first, but while in the checkout line a family came up behind us and their 3 kids started trying to pet her. She tolerated well until the kids started to surround her and were grabbing at her head/ears. Her body language, that I recognized, told me to release her from her sit/stay which I did. Even though I knew a problem was coming and avoided it, that half second could have been too long. They never saw anything or realized that my dog was uncomfortable. Hence the reason I would not leave any dog unsupervised with kids.
I greatly appreciate those parents who ask or have their kids ask before trying to pet my dogs. Funny thing is all the dad and others wanted to know was did she bite and was she a police dog...all after their kids started petting her.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 1:35 pm to Bamadiver
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That's my point. No dog, smallest to largest, should ever be written off as completely biteproof. Pitbulls get the bulk of the bad rap due to their current popularity in certain circles as well as mis-identification as you've already mentioned.
But therein lies the problem. When most dogs snap and attack, the worst of it is a bit of peroxide and a band-aid. When a pit bull goes off, at best it's reconstructive surgery and at worst it's a funeral. Their attacks are just on a whole other level from most other dogs.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 1:43 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Gross generalization at best and you know it.
When a pit bull goes off at best it's reconstructive surgery and at worst it's a funeral.
Not defending the breed at all, or my shepherds for that matter. And FWIW, I've seen severed arteries and massive ligament damage from a Chihuahua bite. Required surgical invervention and quite a bit of physical therapy. Seem to even recall more than a few cases of small breed/puppies and cats killing infants. Google "Chihuahua kills infant" some time.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 1:49 pm to Bamadiver
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Gross generalization at best and you know it.
No it's not and you should know it.
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Google "Chihuahua kills infant" some time.
Want to compare the numbers of deaths caused between the two breeds?
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 1:53 pm to Tayday
Dumbest post of the day goes to....
My border collie plays with my 2 year old (and younger) nieces and nephews all the time. She literally lets them pet her and do whatever they want. Certain species shouldn't have children around. Like pit bulls.
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Any parent that leaves a 2 year old near any dog is a retard.
My border collie plays with my 2 year old (and younger) nieces and nephews all the time. She literally lets them pet her and do whatever they want. Certain species shouldn't have children around. Like pit bulls.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:18 pm to CCTider
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CCTider
don't even waste your time man. the pit haters in these threads are either trolls or pussies. they'll tell you that they'd shoot every one of them or that they'd never allow their children near one. frick those people for being ignorant, but at the end of the day you wont change their minds with any message board posts. if they saw your dog they'd probably say, oh what an awesome dog. but they try to act like billy bad arse on here.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:21 pm to crap4brain
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:30 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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don't even waste your time man. the pit haters in these threads are either trolls or pussies.
Guess I'm a pussy for not wanting my 6 yr old around a breed of dog that's responsible for more deaths in the last decade than all other breeds combined.
LINK
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Chart Key
Dog Breed Deaths % of Total
Pit bull 203 62.3%
Rottweiler 38 11.7%
Mastiff/Bullmastiff1 13 4.0%
German shepherd 12 3.7%
Husky 11 3.4%
Mixed breed 10 3.1%
American bulldog 9 2.8%
Unknown 8 2.5%
Combination2 6 and less 6.5%
Posted on 2/23/15 at 2:36 pm to CCTider
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Media hype b.s.
It used to be Dobermans, Then German Shepards, Then Rots, now it's pits. The media loves a good fear story, and y'all dumbasses take the bait every time.
Besides, in these pit stories, why do they never show the dog? Why isn't there any DNA testing? Basically, all mutts before pit bulls if they attack. And Americans are dumb enough to believe the bs.
I hear this argument from Pit supporters all the time. Care to share a link proving that most of the attacks the media credit to Pit Bulls are actually proven to be other breeds?
Posted on 2/23/15 at 3:15 pm to Bamadiver
When my daughter was an infant, I had 2 terriers that I seriously considered getting rid of... Westie and a Scottie.
I has seen them fight each other, and it's not pretty. If you've witnessed a dog fight something, they are hoping for death of their opponent.
Fortunately, my dogs never bit my daughter, but sometimes I even felt foolish allowing the opportunity.
It just seems like really poor decision-making to allow such a strong animal, with teeth, to be around a child.
Dogs are dogs, and will occasionally act like a dog. They don't know the value of a child's life. That's the parent's job.
I has seen them fight each other, and it's not pretty. If you've witnessed a dog fight something, they are hoping for death of their opponent.
Fortunately, my dogs never bit my daughter, but sometimes I even felt foolish allowing the opportunity.
It just seems like really poor decision-making to allow such a strong animal, with teeth, to be around a child.
Dogs are dogs, and will occasionally act like a dog. They don't know the value of a child's life. That's the parent's job.
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