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Dog diagnosed with kidney disease - diet help
Posted on 9/15/18 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 9/15/18 at 6:56 pm
Recently, my SO’s 7 year old dog was diagnosed with kidney disease. The vet gave us a prescription to give him once a day and put him on prescription food. Didn’t give us much of an answer for his future besides, “It could be 6 months or 6 years” (FWIW due to an early life accident, his kidneys have always been weak )
The pills are Benzaepril (10mg/day) and the food is Hill’s Kidney Care
A couple of things going on, and he started this regime in June:
He is constantly whining for food. We were doing a cup and a half twice a day, then recently have added an extra half cup total. From the moment he wakes up, all day until he falls asleep he wants food. He has never been a beggar. The poor boy is probably starving. In the last couple of days, we are adding a small portion later in the evening to hold him through the night. Is it because the food has less protein than he’s used to? He ate Hill’s Sensitive Stomach before switching to Kidney Care
We used to give him raw hide bones, but he can’t have them anymore due to the amount of sodium. We have been letting him have a handful of green beans or so as a treat to try to tie him over... the vet suggested this. It is not helping. Does anyone have any suggestion on what we can be doing differently to prevent the constant whining? It’s not the whining that bothers me so much as knowing he is constantly hungry
Another issue we have had are spots on his belly. At first we thought it might be ringworm, because he had it about 3 years ago, but it’s not ringworm. They are almost like sores. They slowed down for a short period of time after we started the medication but they are still showing up. I typically make a coconut oil/tea tree oil combo and apply it, and they end up drying up and healing. Unfortunately we have yet to figure out the issue
I’m just stumped on where they are coming from. The Vet told us “biting flies” but I just don’t find that to be remotely close to the issue.
Mainly looking for suggestions from people who have had experience with this. Treat suggestions to hold him through the day (can’t be high in protein...), suggestions as to what the rash/marks on his skin are also welcome
Thanks in advance
The pills are Benzaepril (10mg/day) and the food is Hill’s Kidney Care
A couple of things going on, and he started this regime in June:
He is constantly whining for food. We were doing a cup and a half twice a day, then recently have added an extra half cup total. From the moment he wakes up, all day until he falls asleep he wants food. He has never been a beggar. The poor boy is probably starving. In the last couple of days, we are adding a small portion later in the evening to hold him through the night. Is it because the food has less protein than he’s used to? He ate Hill’s Sensitive Stomach before switching to Kidney Care
We used to give him raw hide bones, but he can’t have them anymore due to the amount of sodium. We have been letting him have a handful of green beans or so as a treat to try to tie him over... the vet suggested this. It is not helping. Does anyone have any suggestion on what we can be doing differently to prevent the constant whining? It’s not the whining that bothers me so much as knowing he is constantly hungry
Another issue we have had are spots on his belly. At first we thought it might be ringworm, because he had it about 3 years ago, but it’s not ringworm. They are almost like sores. They slowed down for a short period of time after we started the medication but they are still showing up. I typically make a coconut oil/tea tree oil combo and apply it, and they end up drying up and healing. Unfortunately we have yet to figure out the issue
I’m just stumped on where they are coming from. The Vet told us “biting flies” but I just don’t find that to be remotely close to the issue.
Mainly looking for suggestions from people who have had experience with this. Treat suggestions to hold him through the day (can’t be high in protein...), suggestions as to what the rash/marks on his skin are also welcome
Thanks in advance
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Posted on 9/15/18 at 7:01 pm to emboslice
Your dog is constantly whining b/c it has trained you and your SO to give it food/treats on demand up until now.
Lesions on the belly - has he done any testing on this at all? If not, perhaps a 2nd opinion is in order. LSU has a dermatology service...
Lesions on the belly - has he done any testing on this at all? If not, perhaps a 2nd opinion is in order. LSU has a dermatology service...
Posted on 9/15/18 at 7:06 pm to emboslice
I think the food is because you have trained him to ask for more food. Although I'm sympathetic, I don't want to think my dogs are hungry. If you are giving him an appropriate amount of food, he's not hungry.
The spots on the belly, could it be allergies of some kind?
Edit: The vet should be able to recommend treats that he can eat I would think.
The spots on the belly, could it be allergies of some kind?
Edit: The vet should be able to recommend treats that he can eat I would think.
This post was edited on 9/15/18 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 9/15/18 at 7:08 pm to AubieALUMdvm
quote:not necessarily true. He is well trained and used to understand “No it does not time,” and quit whining. Now it’s like he’s so overwhelmed with hunger he won’t stop. I just don’t think he is getting satisfied
Your dog is constantly whining b/c it has trained you and your SO to give it food/treats on demand up until now.
I need to do a second opinion on the sores. I’m on the West Coast, however. I’m mostly wondering if anyone has insight on that being a common side effect of kidney disease
Posted on 9/15/18 at 7:10 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:she suggested the green beans. They hold him over a bit but I just wish I knew something that wasn’t too salty or protein rich that would stick to his belly more.
The vet should be able to recommend treats that he can eat I would think.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 7:13 pm to emboslice
quote:
a common side effect of kidney disease
It's not. Where are you on the west coast - i can give you direction.
quote:
Now it’s like he’s so overwhelmed with hunger he won’t stop. I just don’t think he is getting satisfied
If he's that overwhelmed with hunger then there's more to the issue (i.e. dog has Cushing's disease or other condition to cause excessive hunger). That or you're just misinterpreting things
Posted on 9/15/18 at 7:33 pm to AubieALUMdvm
I'd get a second opinion. Dogs with renal issues aren't typically ravenously hungry. Cushings (as stated above), food or environmental allergies, hypothyroidism, etc are all on the table at this point. Luckily all are treatable.
Good luck!
Good luck!
Posted on 9/15/18 at 7:46 pm to emboslice
How much does your dog weigh? I have one diagnosed with advanced kidney failure. He is 14 and on a similar good. He only weighs 20 pounds and gets a cup of food a day. 3 cups is a lot but obviously your fog is bigger.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 7:50 pm to emboslice
My 9 1/2 year old lab was diagnosed with kidney disease three or four years ago, and has had the lesions you’re describing. I thought diagnosis was a death sentence, but a couple medications have his kidney values well within a normal range. The lesions (I though they were ringworm too) took a couple weeks of very poewerful antibiotics, but they went away. They’ve also come back, and gone away again. My vet at All Pets Hospital in BR, diagnosed him as having a thyroid problem as the root cause of many of his issues. The vet originally said he was going to need special food forever, but I’ve never done that. He eats rotisserie chicken, vegetables, Fresh Pet, and Chopped Beneful wet dog food. The new food probably sucks for your dog, feed the poor thing. My guy takes a pill or two, but he’s had a very normal life.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 7:56 pm to emboslice
Second opinion
This post was edited on 9/15/18 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 9/15/18 at 8:03 pm to DanglingFury
This is good advice. My dog has kidney issues too, and she is on medicine that is really helping. I assume his vet has checked for that.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 8:36 pm to TigerSkin12
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I'd get a second opinion. Dogs with renal issues aren't typically ravenously hungry. Cushings (as stated above), food or environmental allergies, hypothyroidism, etc are all on the table at this point. Luckily all are treatable. Good luck!
I appreciate everyone’s responses.
I am not familiar with Cushing and am wondering how we’d go about testing for it? Environmental allergies is another thing that’s a possibility that we have though of. I guess we can compare the ingredients in the food he’s eating now and the food before and see if it’s that. I would imagine it’s more of his outside environment, if it’s allergies
Posted on 9/15/18 at 8:37 pm to tigerfan182
quote:
How much does your dog weigh? I have one diagnosed with advanced kidney failure. He is 14 and on a similar good. He only weighs 20 pounds and gets a cup of food a day. 3 cups is a lot but obviously your fog is bigger.
He’s a 75-80 lb Lab/Pit mix. I think he last weighed around 76
Still too much food?
This post was edited on 9/15/18 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 9/15/18 at 8:37 pm to emboslice
Like I said, if you can give me a general area of where you live I can point you in the right directlon to see a particular specialist...
Posted on 9/15/18 at 8:38 pm to AubieALUMdvm
Sorry - I was getting to your comment. I’m in Southern Oregon
Posted on 9/15/18 at 8:43 pm to emboslice
Southern Oregon Veterinary Specialty is what you are looking for then
They have 2 internal medicine specialists which will cover your kidney issues and a very good dermatologist (Dr. Foster). Call them to see if they require a referral - if not just make an appt. If so, call your vet and tell them you want a referral.
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They have 2 internal medicine specialists which will cover your kidney issues and a very good dermatologist (Dr. Foster). Call them to see if they require a referral - if not just make an appt. If so, call your vet and tell them you want a referral.
LINK
This post was edited on 9/15/18 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 9/15/18 at 9:04 pm to emboslice
We got a prescription for our dog to be on Royal Canin urinary s/o for lowering UTI disease and a lower protein diet to lessen calcium.
I think they have renal support foods. Look it up!!.
I think they have renal support foods. Look it up!!.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 9:25 pm to emboslice
Your veterinarian would test for cushings (blood test) if clinical signs and basic blood work point them in that direction.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 9:38 pm to emboslice
Stick with the advice given, especially Aubie.
Also, quit the coconut oil stuff. You’re literally throwing money away. It’s my understanding that dogs don’t even have whatever internal enzyme is necessary to break down coconut oil like humans do. So basically they just shite out the supplement without Any of the supposed benefits.
Also, quit the coconut oil stuff. You’re literally throwing money away. It’s my understanding that dogs don’t even have whatever internal enzyme is necessary to break down coconut oil like humans do. So basically they just shite out the supplement without Any of the supposed benefits.
Posted on 9/15/18 at 9:54 pm to AubieALUMdvm
quote:thank you
Southern Oregon Veterinary Specialty is what you are looking for then
They have 2 internal medicine specialists which will cover your kidney issues and a very good dermatologist (Dr. Foster). Call them to see if they require a referral - if not just make an appt. If so, call your vet and tell them you want a referral.
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