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re: Does modern architecture depress on purpose

Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:16 pm to
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:16 pm to
Concrete is forever
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:17 pm to
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a walk around Rice vs a walk around a&m


Univ of Santa Cruz is all modern buildings and a very beautiful campus.



Part of MIT campus

This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 6:20 pm
Posted by Bison
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:19 pm to
Architecture took a shift from being overlay ornate: and simplified in the modernist 1950 -1960 era, after WW2: with the goal of making construction more efficient: using locally Available build materials, using more natural light, more efficient thermodynamics within the building , buildings being less obstructive to the natural environment/ also air conditioning was introduced.
The movement was about stripping down all unnecessary waste and costs but showing a skilled , artful display of man’s mastery of architecture, engineering, and physics ( brutalist) .

Architecture changed drastically in the mid 20th century as a result of WW2.
I actually like your second to last picture. It’s too flashy for me , personally, but I could see DJ Khaled living there.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:20 pm to
Great question. In a word, yes, for a number of reasons. It’s something I been interested in for some time.

Here’s some beginning fodder for thoughtful consideration and criticism.

LINK ]From Bauhaus To Our House/Tom Wolfe, 1981

LINK ]The Architecture Of Servitude And Boredom Russell Kirk
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Britain’s urban riots of July 1981 came to Edinburgh somewhat tardily, but they arrived.

Being there at the time, I asked a knowledgeable Scottish engineer, who builds roads but is an architect too, what had caused the Edinburgh troubles.

“Bad architecture,” he told me. He meant that the Edinburgh riot arose in one of the ugliest and most boring of the county-council public housing schemes, afflicted by a ghastly monotony. He did not suggest that the rioters were endowed with good architectural taste; it was rather that the people who dwell in this Edinburgh housing-scheme are perpetually discontented, without quite knowing why—and spoiling for a fight.
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:22 pm to
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The movement was about stripping down all unnecessary waste and costs but showing a skilled , artful display of man’s mastery of architecture, engineering, and physics ( brutalist) .


It’s built in defiance of nature, built against the land, and not with it, and it’s purposefully ugly.
Posted by bobBoxer
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:23 pm to
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Being there at the time, I asked a knowledgeable Scottish engineer, who builds roads but is an architect too, what had caused the Edinburgh troubles.

“Bad architecture,” he told me. He meant that the Edinburgh riot arose in one of the ugliest and most boring of the county-council public housing schemes, afflicted by a ghastly monotony. He did not suggest that the rioters were endowed with good architectural taste; it was rather that the people who dwell in this Edinburgh housing-scheme are perpetually discontented, without quite knowing why—and spoiling for a fight

That's pretty crazy but it does make sense
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:24 pm to
Concrete has a short lifespan compared to traditional building materials.

It’s just cheaper than the old ways.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 6:25 pm
Posted by Koach K
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:27 pm to
A good read:

The Geography of Nowhere: The Rise and Decline of America's Man-Made Landscape

By James Howard Kunstler
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:29 pm to
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Architecture took a shift from being overlay ornate: and simplified in the modernist 1950 -1960 era


All art forms did so, Painting, Sculpture, Music (avant garde) but all before WWII. And architecture had made the transistion to minimalism before WWII as well, i.e. Bauhaus movement in germany, Ducth Destihl, Finnish Functionalism and Swedish minimalism.

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From Bauhaus To Our House/Tom Wolfe, 1981


Wolfe is an idiot. He didn't like modernism so wrote a biased book slamming it.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 6:32 pm
Posted by bobBoxer
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:32 pm to
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Simple and minimal is the new norm. You go into any house owned by someone in their 70s/80s and it's sensory overload. Personally I enjoy a bit of contemporary touch to homes and architecture but it's so easy to replicate that it doesn't give a house any personality
I just went to corpus Christi and walked into to someones house and had a dejavu moment, the house had the very same layout as my brothers house, walked outside and it looked exactly the same as my brothers, kb homes everywhere
Posted by Hangover Haven
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:34 pm to
You realize those older buildings were “modern architecture “ at one time, right?
Posted by Bison
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:35 pm to
Yeah, I’m not claiming to be an expert here, I was trying to keep things short. You are correct I’m sure. Not trying to get in a battle. Yeah, I understand many other things , changed at this time as well, I wasn’t trying to write as research paper , just generalizing. Sorry my dates for the modernist movement appear to have been inaccurate.
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:43 pm to
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Sorry my dates for the modernist movement appear to have been inaccurate


I wasn't attacking you but I did write my thesis on the history of art and architecture analyzed through a Jungian lens....yea, prentious but my professor liked it.
Posted by bobBoxer
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:43 pm to
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I was just in Rotterdam and the entire city is full of interesting buildings built after WWII since the city was flattened by the nazis.

those are awesome, I'd be shocked if I seen anything built like that in the us
Posted by bobBoxer
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:45 pm to
that looks cool, I don't think I'd want to live there that's beautiful
Posted by Bison
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:02 pm to
Your thesis sounds fascinating, haha.
I recently order some books to be able to understand modernism more, and I have developed a greatly appreciation for brutalist over the past few years also.

Spanish colonial is another good one, and Sarasota style, also appeals to me. Thank you for posting those photos. I think you showed a really good range of projects. And I could tell you paid special attention to image quality. I’m going to looking into some of those subcategories you mentioned earlier.
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:10 pm to
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looks cool, I don't think I'd want to live there


I did a tour of it and we got to go in an apartment. It was pretty nice with great views. If you have to live in a big complex, this one ain't bad.

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beautiful

The same architect, Moshe Safdie, did both those buildings. The apartment in 1967 and the Crystal Bridges museum in 2011
Posted by bobBoxer
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:11 pm to
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a walk around Rice vs a walk around a&m

Rice

Tx am
A&M looks like shite compared to rice
Posted by Aeolian Vocalion
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:15 pm to
Yes, I've long found the brutalist, postmodern architecture of recent (post-war) decades incredibly depressing. Just the sight of the modern cityscapes is soul-witheringly dreary to me. Decades of grim, utilitarian blocks of aloofness, followed by glass towers, McMansions, and a sea of junky quickie-marts. It's like warmed-over death.

I often drive through old, relatively unaffected small-towns, or ride my bike through long stretches of old neighborhoods, just because it seems to revitalize me, and make me feel like a human being again.
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:24 pm to
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I often drive through old, relatively unaffected small-towns, or ride my bike through long stretches of old neighborhoods, just because it seems to revitalize me, and make me feel like a human being again.


Almost as if we need some aspect of Traditionalism to survive.
You’ve described what happens to most people when they attempt to reduce the world to strict rationalism (Sam Harris).
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