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re: Does anyone regret getting vaccinated?
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:17 pm to Tiger Ree
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:17 pm to Tiger Ree
Correlation does not equal causation.
Just the list of soccer players seems amazing until you look at the historical background numbers. Heart attack deaths of soccer players on the pitch is not nearly as rare as most would think.
Just the list of soccer players seems amazing until you look at the historical background numbers. Heart attack deaths of soccer players on the pitch is not nearly as rare as most would think.
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Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:18 pm to keakar
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yes, they all do, but they will never admit it, because they will then have to admit to being stupid enough to believe the lies.
/r/im14andthisisdeep
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:19 pm to lsufb1912
My wife does, her work was going to mandate it and she didn’t want to fight… I have NI
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:19 pm to Tiger Ree
Maybe you should post your anti-vax screeds on the Rant, you can welcome new LSU coach Brian Kelly while you’re at it.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:22 pm to Steadyhands
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Lol. "So much for logic" so you're one of those posters that like to throw words and phrases around as though it's some discredit to whatever anyone says. That's some liberal logic there, not agreeing and following along like a good sheep means something is illogical. Inside the realm of a liberals mind, sure, but in the real world that's not how it works.
You can't even understand why I said it. Again, you dumb shithead, human immunity is social. That's reason enough for you to be part of several vaccination programs.
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By your "logic," since there are risks with getting covid, everyone should go ahead and take on the any additional risks with getting the vaccine?
What risks of the vaccine are not risks of the virus itself? Be specific here if you could.
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I don't know if there are long term effects that could come from getting a vaccine, I also don't know if there are any long term effects from getting covid.
What are the long-term effects of vaccinations generally? You understand why this is such a nonsensical caveat to make, right? And there are plenty of long-term effects from COVID itself. I've seen an alarming number first-hand, from things like myocarditis to coma to erectile dysfunction to kidney issues to lung transplants.
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Use your logic and provide data to suggest everyone should get the vaccine. If you or anyone else could, probably just about everyone would get vaccinated just like we have for numerous other diseases.
There are plenty of reasons, from standardizing antibody response over a population (a concept called epitope-biased antibody response) to minimizing the differences at the population level between HLA antigens. Those are reasons outside of the fact that the vaccines do decrease the severity of infection, and thus would decrease viral load and infection course. For a respiratory illness in which there is a high probability of breakthrough infections (just like there was in smallpox and just like there is in influenza) the best strategy to protect those most at risk is the one that mammalian biology makes explicit, as human immunity ties the health of the strongest person to the weakest person in a direct way.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:27 pm to Obtuse1
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When addressing individuals or small groups the messenger can include more caveats and address individual questions and concerns. The messenger can react to the sophistication of their audience and adjust their vocabulary and/or concepts to best service the group. They can communicate with them on a very individual level.
That might be a good point, but I would argue that this shouldn't be the purview of medical professionals, as we are amazingly bad at this, especially in immunologic terms, because it is difficult, at least for me and others in the field, to find the right framework for analogies. Teaching by analogy is a good enough communication strategy, but I still don't know the right framework for discussing the social context of human immunity without using immunologic terms. Looking at the literature of patient compliance overall is genuinely depressing and maybe is argument enough that science professionals need better communication techniques at the minimum.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:30 pm to lsufb1912
Dont regret it I'm getting my booster Friday.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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Secondly, how are we to determine this 'with COVID/from COVID' clinically?
Well if you had looked at the information in the link you would have known that someone in hospice care who was given 3 weeks to live would probably have died regardless of Covid.
Someone dying of a heart attack would have probably died regardless of covid.
OTHER than that there is absolutely no way to tell
Man who died in motorcycle crash counted as COVID-19 death in Florida: Report
According to the report, Orange County Health Officer Dr. Raul Pino was asked whether two coronavirus victims in their 20s had any underlying medical conditions that could have potentially made them more susceptible to the virus.
Pino's answer was that one of the two people who was listed as a COVID death actually died in a motorcycle crash. Despite health officials knowing the man died in a motorcycle crash, it is unclear whether or not his death was removed from the overall count in the state.
Dr. Pino tells FOX 35 that one "could actually argue that it could have been the COVID-19 that caused him to crash."
The Florida Department of Health has not responded to a request for comment on how it will ensure labs report accurate data.
I know nurses in Louisiana and Texas and this was standard operating procedure. All for the money
death certificate lists COVID-19 complications as a cause of death, when she says her grandmother was never tested for the virus
No way hospitals would cheat the system:
VERIFY: Do hospitals get more funding by marking deaths COVID-19 related?
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WHAT WE FOUND:
According to the US Department of Health and Human Services [HHS] which oversees the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, under the federal coronavirus aid relief bill known as the CARES Act, hospitals get an extra 20% in Medicare reimbursements on top of traditional rates due to the public health emergency.
That's for COVID-19 related admissions, which can include deaths. The pay-out amount varies, according to a medicare spokesperson who said "medicare adjusts hospital payment based on geographic variation in local costs."
Also, earlier this month, HHS announced a second round of federal relief for hospitals in high impact areas, totaling $10 billion.
Of that second-round money, HHS reported 63 California hospitals received $50,000 for each eligible coronavirus patient they admitted between Jan. 1 and June 10, 2020. That's a combined total of more than $607 million.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:33 pm to lsufb1912
Moderna, both shots and booster, no problems, I'm good
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:35 pm to Tiger Ree
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Well if you had looked at the information in the link you would have known that someone in hospice care who was given 3 weeks to live would probably have died regardless of Covid.
Someone dying of a heart attack would have probably died regardless of covid.
Sure there are certain deaths that obviously shouldn't be labelled COVID, but the pathophysiology of the disease itself makes it more complicated for virtually everyone else, which is again the process I'm asking about, and the question you seem unable to answer. It's a very simple question.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:40 pm to crazy4lsu
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By your "logic," since there are risks with getting covid, everyone should go ahead and take on the any additional risks with getting the vaccine?
What risks of the vaccine are not risks of the virus itself? Be specific here if you could.
Risks of the virus only happen if I get it. Those risks are also not likely to be major. Just like the number of people having major complications related to the vaccination is small, so is the amount of people having major complications after recovering from covid. It's pathetic that every statement you make comes out as "vaccination good" or "no vaccination bad". There is not in between or gray area with you for this, is there?
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I don't know if there are long term effects that could come from getting a vaccine, I also don't know if there are any long term effects from getting covid.
What are the long-term effects of vaccinations generally? You understand why this is such a nonsensical caveat to make, right? And there are plenty of long-term effects from COVID itself. I've seen an alarming number first-hand, from things like myocarditis to coma to erectile dysfunction to kidney issues to lung transplants.
Here it is again, "no vaccination bad". There have been major complications from getting the vaccination just as there have for some people having had covid. These effects on either side only happen to some people.
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There are plenty of reasons, from standardizing antibody response over a population (a concept called epitope-biased antibody response) to minimizing the differences at the population level between HLA antigens. Those are reasons outside of the fact that the vaccines do decrease the severity of infection, and thus would decrease viral load and infection course. For a respiratory illness in which there is a high probability of breakthrough infections (just like there was in smallpox and just like there is in influenza) the best strategy to protect those most at risk is the one that mammalian biology makes explicit, as human immunity ties the health of the strongest person to the weakest person in a direct way.
Call me a jackass, I am not going to get vaccinated to protect the weak.
What's your stance on natural immunity? Should still obviously get the vaccine, right?
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:43 pm to kjp811
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then at least I have a little bit of protection from the virus
Very little. Like almost none.
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whereas you might have be rolling the dice.
You're kind of rolling the dice with the vax too, no?
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:44 pm to CMBears1259
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then at least I have a little bit of protection from the virus
Very little. Like almost none.
where do y'all come up with this stuffPosted on 12/7/21 at 6:44 pm to crazy4lsu
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Sure there are certain deaths that obviously shouldn't be labelled COVID, but the pathophysiology of the disease itself makes it more complicated for virtually everyone else, which is again the process I'm asking about, and the question you seem unable to answer. It's a very simple question
In most Covid cases there are immediate and secondary causes of death listed (in one of the articles I posted). Based on what people I know in the medical field have told me and having lived in Louisiana I wholeheartedly believe the case numbers are way overinflated.
Do you dispute this fact?
Dr. Ezike: 90% of Illinois' COVID-19 deaths had underlying condition - 40 second YouTube video
They admit they lie and people still wont believe
And she says nationwide or worldwide the numbers were just six percent. Prove her wrong
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:47 pm to Tiger Ree
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Dr. Ezike: 90% of Illinois' COVID-19 deaths had underlying condition
Half of this country out of the gate has an "underlying condition" if obesity is one of those.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:48 pm to Steadyhands
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Risks of the virus only happen if I get it. Those risks are also not likely to be major. Just like the number of people having major complications related to the vaccination is small, so is the amount of people having major complications after recovering from covid. It's pathetic that every statement you make comes out as "vaccination good" or "no vaccination bad". There is not in between or gray area with you for this, is there?
You wrote all that and didn't answer my question. What are the risks of vaccination that are not also risks of the virus itself?
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Here it is again, "no vaccination bad". There have been major complications from getting the vaccination just as there have for some people having had covid. These effects on either side only effect some people.
Why is it that you aren't answering my questions directly? What are the long-term effects of vaccinations generally? Just describe them or say you don't know.
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Call me a jackass, I am not going to get vaccinated to protect the weak.
Lol. Very cool that people can ignore legitimate biological explanations because they 'don't feel like it.' This notion existed before during previous vaccination efforts and thankfully it was stamped out. Guess we will have to do it again.
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What's your stance on natural immunity? Should still obviously get the vaccine, right?
Natural immunity is perfectly fine, but again because of features of human immune systems that you obviously don't care about and obviously can't comprehend, there are strong reasons why getting vaccinated and also getting COVID are good, as the vaccination ensures a standardized antibody response across a population.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:50 pm to lsufb1912
Nope…I have some health issues that make me high risk if I catch the virus. I took the vaccine and never regretted it for a minute.
I am not a fan of mandates at all,though. I think everyone needs to make their own decision and live with the consequences of that decision.
I am not a fan of mandates at all,though. I think everyone needs to make their own decision and live with the consequences of that decision.
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:51 pm to Tiger Ree
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In most Covid cases there are immediate and secondary causes of death listed (in one of the articles I posted). Based on what people I know in the medical field have told me and having lived in Louisiana I wholeheartedly believe the case numbers are way overinflated.
The numbers of deaths are overinflated? Possibly, but that certainly hasn't been the case from what I've seen for myself in the hospital. There's certainly a difference between a death by other means in a person who tested positive for COVID and COVID triggering a process which led to death. Just last week, a patient came in with a SBO, tested positive for COVID before surgery, was operated on regardless because her situation was emergent, and later died from ARDS. How would you classify that death, in clinical terms?
This post was edited on 12/7/21 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 12/7/21 at 6:58 pm to lsufb1912
Nope and getting the booster on Friday.
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