re: Does anybody know anybody who actually doesn't believe we landed on the moon?

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But I made a pretty solid argument on the Van Allen Belts. All from memory. No comment?

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The Moon is not a Natural Planet

This appears to be a quite ludicrous statement. How could we know the Moon is not a natural planet? The answer is that we know because it is too big, yet too light in mass; it is in the strangest position imaginable relative to the Sun and the Earth and it behaves in the most incredible way every month. What is more, it carries a whole series of quite specific messages that tell us it is an 'engineered' object.


The Moon is as old as the Earth and it has definitely been orbiting the Earth almost right from the start, so it can't be a captured asteroid but although it's made of the same 'stuff' as the Earth, it only contains carefully selected bits of that stuff.

The Moon's surface is covered with gravitational anomalies (MASCONs) that can't be easily explained and it could well be hollow at the centre (which all scientists who know about these things say should be impossible.)

The Moon is a deliberately created scale model of the Sun and it presently stands at a distance from the Sun and from the Earth which is totally outrageous in terms of the mathematical and physical results.

In fact there is very little about the Moon that isn't odd and which doesn't seem wrong for something that came into existence by chance.

I don't expect you to believe what I say just because I am saying it. I want to prove to you that the Moon was deliberately and extremely carefully engineered to do a host of jobs for the Earth.

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First Message - Eclipses

Solar Eclipse

Solar eclipses happen when the shadow of the Moon covers the surface of the Sun. Total solar eclipses are very impressive and for one important reason: when seen from the Earth the disc of the Moon is exactly the same size as that of the Sun. This isn't the case but is a line-of-site effect. In reality the Sun is much more massive than the Moon but is very much further away. Solar eclipses are a near miracle and they don't happen anywhere else in the solar system. The only reason they can occur is because of two factors. The Moon is 1/400th part the size of the Sun, and the Moon is capable of standing at a position 1/400th part of the distance between the Earth and the Sun. How unlikely is that? If any message incorporated into the Moon was specifically designed to say "Look at me more closely" it is solar ecilipses.

Second Message - the Scissoring of the Moon

Sun, Earth and Moon
It is a peculiar fact that when viewed from the Earth, the Moon and the Sun perform an elegant and most unlikely dance. At times when the Sun rises at dawn as far north as it can, the Moon sets as far south as is possible. Similarly, when the Sun rises at its extreme southern position, the Moon sets at its most northerly. The same is true of Sunset and Moonrise. Hardly anyone even realises that this takes place, let alone understands just how incredible it is. There is no mathematical rule or law of physics that says this should happen. It is simply a consequence of the Moon's orbit and positioning and yet as a random chance event it seems virtually miraculous.

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Mikhail Vasin, Alexander Shcherbakov,
Societ Academy of Sciences, 1970.
“Is the moon a creation of an alien intelligence?”

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Dr. Gordon MacDonald,
NASA
“it would seem that the Moon is more like a hollow than a homogenous sphere’. He surmised that the data must have been wrong – but it wasn’t.”


Carl Sagan,
Cosmologist,
“A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object.”


Dr. Sean C Solomon,
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
“The Lunar Orbiter experiments had vastly improved knowledge of the Moon’s gravitational field and indicated the frightening possibility that the Moon might be hollow.”

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NASA scientists
The Apollo 12 mission to the Moon in November 1969 set up seismometers and then intentionally crashed the Lunar Module causing an impact equivalent to one ton of TNT. The shockwaves built up for eight minutes, and NASA scientists said the Moon ‘rang like a bell.


Maurice Ewing,
American geophysicist and oceanographer
“As for the meaning of it, I’d rather not make an interpretation right now, but it is as though someone had struck a bell, say, in the belfry of the a church a single blow and found that the reverberation from it continued for 30 minutes.”


Ken Johnson,
Supervisor of the Data and Photo Control department during the Apollo missions
“The Moon not only rang like a bell, but the whole Moon wobbled in such a precise way that it was almost as though it had gigantic hydraulic damper struts inside it.”



Dr. D L Anderson,
Professor of geophysics and director of the seismological laboratory,
California Institute of Technology
“The Moon is made inside out and that its inner and outer compositions should be the other way around.”



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“The Moon is bigger than it should be, apparently older than it should be and much lighter in mass than it should be. It occupies an unlikely orbit and is so extraordinary that all existing explanations for its presence are fraught with difficulties are none of them could be considered remotely watertight.”

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Russian Scientists Published This Paper in the 70s: ‘Is the Moon the Creation of Alien Intelligence?’
Posted by The Sanguine Woods on August 30, 2018

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According to Professor Stanyukovich, a “missile” of a sizable character (say 6 miles in diameter) must, on collision with the Moon, penetrate to a depth equal to 4 or 5 times its own diameter (24-30 miles). The surprising thing is that however big the meteorites may have been which have fallen on the Moon (some have been more than 60 miles in diameter), and however fast they must have been traveling (in some cases the combined speed was as much as 38 miles per second), the craters they have left behind are for some odd reason all about the same depth, 1.2-2 miles, although they vary tremendously in diameter.[/quote]

[quote]On the face of it, one would expect to find a very deep crater here, but nothing of the sort: there is three miles at the most between top and bottom levels, and one third of that is accounted for by the wall of rock thrown up around the crater like a toothed crown. For such a big hole, it is too shallow. Furthermore, the bottom of the crater is convex, following the curve of the lunar surface.

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Now let us consider the chemical peculiarities of the lunar rock. Upon analysis, American scientists have found chromium, titanium and zirconium in it. These are all metals with refractory, mechanically strong and anti-corrosive properties. A combination of them all would have enviable resistance to heat and the ability to stand up to means of aggression, and could be used on Earth for linings for electrical furnaces. 39470729-E405-4CDE-A86D-435691033B77

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If a material had to be devised to protect a giant artificial satellite from the unfavorable effects of temperature, from cosmic radiation and meteorite bombardment, the experts would probably have hit on precisely these metals.

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The Earth Without the Moon
By Immanuel Velikovsky
December 3, 2011

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The period when the Earth was Moonless is probably the most remote recollection of mankind. Democritus and Anaxagoras taught that there was a time when the Earth was without the Moon.(1) Aristotle wrote that Arcadia in Greece, before being inhabited by the Hellenes, had a population of Pelasgians, and that these aborigines occupied the land already before there was a moon in the sky above the Earth; for this reason they were called Proselenes.(2)

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Apollonius of Rhodes mentioned the time “when not all the orbs were yet in the heavens, before the Danai and Deukalion races came into existence, and only the Arcadians lived, of whom it is said that they dwelt on mountains and fed on acorns, before there was a moon.” (3)

Plutarch wrote in The Roman Questions: “There were Arcadians of Evander’s following, the so-called pre-Lunar people.”(4) Similarly wrote Ovid: “The Arcadians are said to have possessed their land before the birth of Jove, and the folk is older than the Moon.” (5) Hippolytus refers to a legend that “Arcadia brought forth Pelasgus, of greater antiquity than the moon.”(6) Lucian in his Astrology says that “the Arcadians affirm in their folly that they are older than the moon.”(7)

Censorinus also alludes to the time in the past when there was no moon in the sky.(8)

Some allusions to the time before there was a Moon may be found also in the Scriptures. In Job 25:5 the grandeur of the Lord who “Makes peace in the heights” is praised and the time is mentioned “before [there was] a moon and it did not shine.” Also in Psalm 72:5 it is said: “Thou wast feared since [the time of] the sun and before [the time of] the moon, a generation of generations.” A “generation of generations” means a very long time. Of course, it is of no use to counter this psalm with the myth of the first chapter of Genesis, a tale brought down from exotic and later sources.

The memory of a world without a moon lives in oral tradition among the Indians. The Indians of the Bogota highlands in the eastern Cordilleras of Colombia relate some of their tribal reminiscences to the time before there was a moon. “In the earliest times, when the moon was not yet in the heavens,” say the tribesmen of Chibchas.(9)

There are currently three theories of the origin of the moon:

1) The Moon originated at the same time as the Earth, being formed substantially from the same material, aggregating and solidifying.

2) The Moon was formed not in the vicinity of the Earth, but in a different part of the solar system, and was later captured by the Earth.

3) The Moon was originally a portion of the terrestrial crust and was torn out, leaving behind the bed of the Pacific.

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All three theories claim the presence of the Moon on an orbit around the Earth for billions of years. Mythology may supply each of these views with some support (Genesis I for the first view; the birth of Aphrodite from the sea for the third view; Aphrodite’s origin in the disruption of Uranus, and also the violence of Sin – the Babylonian Moon – seems to support the second view).

Since mankind on both sides of the Atlantic preserved the memory of a time when the Earth was without the Moon, the first hypothesis, namely, of the Moon originating simultaneously with the Earth and in its vicinity, is to be excluded, leaving the other two hypotheses to compete between themselves.

We have seen that the traditions of diverse peoples offer corroborative testimony to the effect that in a very early age, but still in the memory of mankind, no moon accompanied the Earth.(10) Since human beings already peopled the Earth, it is improbable that the Moon sprang from it: there must have existed a solid lithosphere, not a liquid earth. Thus while I do not claim to know the origin of the Moon, I find it more probable that the Moon was captured by the Earth. Such an event would have occurred as a catastrophe.(11) If the Moon’s formation took place away from the Earth,(12) its composition may be quite different.

There is no evidence to suggest whether the Moon was a planet, a satellite of another planet, or a comet at the time of its capture by the Earth. Whatever atmosphere it may have had(13) was pulled away by the Earth, by other contacting bodies, or dissipated in some other way.

Since the time the Moon began to accompany the Earth, it underwent the influence of contacts with comets and planets that passed near the Earth in subsequent ages. The mass of the Moon being less than that of the Earth, the Moon must have suffered greater disturbances in cosmic contacts. During these contacts the Moon was not carried away: this is due to the fact that no body more powerful than the Earth came sufficiently close to the Moon to take it away from the Earth for good; but in the contacts that took place the Moon was removed repeatedly from one orbit to another.

The variations in the position of the Moon can be read in the variations in the length of the month. The length of the month repeatedly changed in subseqent catastrophic events – and for this there exists a large amount of supporting evidence. In these later occurrences the Moon played a passive role, and Zeus in the Iliad advised it (Aphrodite) to stay out of the battle in which Athene and Ares (Venus and Mars) were the main contestants.

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Tom Delonge's UFO Timeline Part 1 Published on Jun 20, 2019

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Tom Delonge's UFO Timeline Part 2: The Core Story

Published on Jul 16, 2019

This video goes over the core story of what UFOs are and the history of the US Government's reaction to them, according to Tom Delonge and his advisers.

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AUGUST 9, 2018 BY LINDA MOULTON HOWE
Part 7: Mysterious Metal from Bottom of Wedge-Shaped UFO — Update 1996-2018 Research

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This Part 7 is new to my Earthfiles reports about my investigations of the Bismuth/MagnesiumZinc layered metals. The following interview transcript is from my recorded interview on February 2, 2017, with a whistleblower physicist, who requests anonymity. He contacted me to say he had been following my efforts to investigate the Bi/MgZn since 1996, and wanted me to know that he had worked with a large “skin” of the same layered metal underground at Area 51, Nevada, in the 1970s.

But the physicist said he worked on a slab of the layered metal that was 6 feet long and 3 feet wide! That, he said, was the outer skin that covered the entire wedge-shaped craft, not just the underside. The key he stressed was the inner skin of pure aluminum that has “mono-iridium atoms intelligently placed at the atomic and sub-atomic level of the inner skin.” It’s the combination of the two parallel skins that disconnects the craft from Earth’s gravity, inertia and atmosphere.

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“The magnesium-zinc alloy is an electrogravitic rectifier. You energize it in order to cause it to rectify gravitational field energy — unidirectional force, one direction, based upon how you have the material oriented. And when the Bi/MgZn material is being energized, along with the other structure of the craft — the structure of the craft really negates gravitational energy from penetrating. In other words, it becomes weightless. So, from that is no inertia, it’s essentially weightless. It takes very little energy to push it around. So when it’s in that state, that’s when you can push it around with electrogravitic material. So you strengthen it in the direction that you want to activate the electrogravitic material. Otherwise, it balances out all the way around and you are neutrally buoyant. You are just floating there. But when you strengthen the field in any given direction, you change the amount of electrogravitic force in that particular direction

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Now, the material has to be literally bombarded with non-Hertzian energy from terahertz frequencies. It cannot be electromagnetic. It has to be pulses, very fast pulses, very fast transition times. Modern electronics cannot achieve this. Generators have to be designed specifically for this application. If someone tries to use an off-the-shelf component to build a terahertz generator, I don’t think he is going to be able to do it. But I built one.

Linda: DID YOU BUILD YOURS TO GENERATE THE NON-HERTZIAN FREQUENCIES?

Yes. And I used technology that was discovered by Nicolai Tesla. He called it non-Hertzian energy.

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SO HOW DID TESLA DO THAT?

Tesla did it electromechanically. He literally used contacts. Commutators. Spark gaps. That’s the entire key to being able to do wireless transmission of power. It’s not done with electromagnetics. It’s not done through magnetic induction. Even his coils and transformers were not formed to use the magnetic field. He matched mass, primary and secondary mass, in order to get coupling. If the layered metal is subjected to magnetic fields, it will make the monatomic iridium leave and then the layered metal won’t work. Magnetic fields will ruin the layered metal material. So all the experimentation to this date from 1996 that you have reported about would make the monatomic iridium leave, so none of the tests tried so far would work. Also, in the Army guy’s first letter dated April 10, 1996 (Part 1), it says: ‘The Dimensional Powerplant was self-destructed, and the inter-atmospheric propulsion system also deactivated to prevent the technology from falling into the hands of the Terrans (humans).’

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SO IS IT THE BISMUTH/MAGNESIUM-ZINC LAYERED SKIN THAT IS EMITTING THE TERAHERTZ FREQUENCY THAT CAN DAMAGE HUMAN TISSUES AND MANIPULATE HUMAN MINDS?

It’s actually the drive energy that is going through the material, penetrating and radiating out from the craft.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT IN MORE DETAIL?
No, I can’t.

BECAUSE?
We’re delving into highly classified areas here.

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CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOU SAW AND IF THERE WERE ANY SYMBOLS OR HIEROGLYPHS?

Yes, there were, but they are not visible until you remove the inspection covers. I can’t get into that, because that particular aspect of what I worked on was never declassified.

I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE GIVEN TO ME BY SANTILLI IN LONDON WITH PERMISSION THAT SHOW SYMBOLS ON BEAMS AND WHEN I DID A SEARCH OF MY OWN GOING TO ALL THE ANCIENT LANGUAGES OF EARTH, THEY MATCHED ANCIENT GREEK.

I wouldn’t doubt that.

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alleged 1947 U. S. Army film of UFO crash debris near Socorro, NM, contained this I-beam with symbols that resemble ancient Greek letters

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DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHTS ABOUT THE MATCH OF ANCIENT GREEK TO THE SYMBOLS INSIDE OF THESE CRAFT IN WHICH THE SKIN IS THE BISMUTH MAGNESIUM-ZINC LAYERED METAL?

I can’t do that. I can’t give that information out publicly.

BUT YOU DO HAVE KNOWLEDGE? Yes. AND IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT THE GREEKS WERE PROBABLY ANOTHER INTELLIGENCE BASED ON THIS PLANET AND NOT EVOLUTIONARY HOMO SAPIENS?

I can’t say that (laughs), I’m sorry, I can’t delve into that.

WELL, I’VE BEEN TOLD IN THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT IS IN FACT THE TRUTH.

I can say this much – there have been more advanced civilizations on this planet prior to us that were far more advanced than we are today.”

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I don’t want to get my post lost in a sea of LUNACY

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I have a degree in geology and physics, and a masters in geophysics. All of what was spouted there was bullshite or COMPLETELY taken out of context.

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Cosmic Magnetic Fields – The Ultimate Challenge to Gravity-Centric Cosmology | Space News 10,774 views 1K 9 Share Save Report
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Published on Feb 6, 2019

It has been one of the greatest surprises of the Space Age – powerful magnetic fields pervade the cosmos. Mainstream astronomers and astrophysicists do indeed acknowledge pervasive cosmic magnetism, but they did NOT predict it, and the realization has come begrudgingly. In this episode, we explore why powerful magnetic fields associated with countless celestial objects is the clearest indication that we live in an Electric Universe.

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Electric Currents in Outer Space Run the Show
A new book explores our understanding of electric currents, which are fundamental to the structure and dynamics of space plasmas.

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Modern society relies on electric currents. We can generate them, guide them from one place to another (including very remote places), and make them work for us. The use of electricity has provided the greatest technological advances in humankind. But electric currents also occur in nature by themselves and “run the show” in outer space. Electric Currents in Geospace and Beyond, a new book just published by the American Geophysical Union, explores our most up-to-date understanding of electric currents in the solar system. Here the editors answer some questions about past and recent advances in this field.

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It is now understood that outer space is fundamentally electrical in nature.

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There are many mysteries available to all , but often restricted by the perceptions of a strictly materialist reductionist hierophant

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