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Jericho is one of my all-time favorites, but no historians worth a salt would have Jericho anywhere near the top. As a performer and on the mic he's one of the greats; I'll give him that. But he lacks the drawing power and overall impact that many others had.

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exactly - he's a great performer, no doubt. But his drawing power/overall impact lacks in comparison to numerous others.

Jericho is fat and overweight

The same people praising Jericho probably hate WWE when they bring back legends because it "takes away screen time for the up and coming talent"

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Jericho is an all around great performer but he never had the star power of Brock Lesnar, Goldberg, Austin, etc...

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Goldberg-we’re citing Goldberg.


As far as Jericho not being a draw...his signing to AEW legitimized the entire promotion.

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WWE declared Jericho a "marquee draw" with a "reputation as one of the best ever".[287][288] As of 2019, he is one of the ten most prolific pay-per-view performers in company history.[289]

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Vince also says that John Cena is the biggest draw in company history. Get real.

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Vince also says that John Cena is the biggest draw in company history. Get real.

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My guy, you started your claim that Jericho isn’t Top 50 of all time, and you provide lists.

That no historian worth a damn would have him at the top.

You’ve moved the goalpost to “impact/draw”..


You’re attempting to argue from a position of authority, one that you probably deserve.
Other historians disagree with basically everything said.
By all means, provide a list of 50 greater wrestlers all time than Jericho.

Again I refute your claim that Jericho isn’t top 50. In fact I’ll say he’s way closer to #1 than he is #51.

people who disagree with you :

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Journalist Chris Van Vliet noted that his name is "always thrown around as the GOAT [greatest of all time], or at least one of the GOATs", with Van Vliet himself asserting that Jericho is "if not the best, certainly one of the best".[266] Todd Martin of the Pro Wrestling Torch remarked, to agreement from editor Wade Keller, that Jericho is "one of the great wrestlers of all time" and in "a lofty category", while likening his oeuvre to those of WWE Hall of Famers Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat, Ted DiBiase and Dory Funk Jr.[260] Praised for his ability to continually evolve his gimmick,[260][261][268] Jericho was dubbed by KC Joyner of ESPN as "wrestling's David Bowie".[261] Various outlets have included Jericho in lists of the greatest wrestlers ever.[b] Baltimore Sun reporter Kevin Eck, who has also served as editor of WCW Magazine and a WWE producer,[274] featured Jericho in his "Top 10 favorite wrestlers of all time"[275] and "Top 10 all-around performers"[276]—the former piece noting that Jericho is "regarded as one of the very best talkers in the business".[275] Keisha Hatchett in TV Guide wrote that Jericho "owns the mic with cerebral insults" and is set apart from peers by "his charismatic presence, which is highlighted by a laundry list of unforgettable catchphrases".[263] He was voted by Wrestling Observer Newsletter (WON) readers as "Best on Interviews" for the 2000s decade,[277] coinciding with his 2010 induction into the WON Hall of Fame. Fans also named Jericho the greatest WWE Intercontinental Champion of all time in a 2013 WWE poll, affording him a landslide 63% victory over the other four contenders (Mr. Perfect, The Honky Tonk Man, Rick Rude and Pat Patterson).[278] A number of Jericho's industry colleagues have hailed him as one of the greatest wrestlers in history.[c] Stone Cold Steve Austin lauded his consistently "dynamic" promos and in-ring work, while arguing that he should be considered among the 10 best ever.[279] Kenny Omega asserted that Jericho "has a legit argument for being the best of all time", based on his ability to achieve success and notoriety across numerous territories.[268] Matt Striker pointed to Jericho's "magnanimous" nature as a contributing factor to his status as an all-time great;[282] his willingness to impart knowledge was commended by James Ellsworth, who described Jericho as an "outstanding human being" and a childhood favorite.[284] Kevin Owens stated that "Jericho was always someone I looked up to",[286] while The Miz affirmed that he was part of a generation of young wrestlers who sought to "emulate" Jericho.[282]

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Is this a bit? Kayfabe? Trying to get on the list?

1. Lou Thesz
2. Jim Londos
3. Hulk Hogan
4. Ed "Strangler" Lewis
5. Frank Gotch
6. Rikidozan
7. El Santo
8. Ric Flair
9. Andre the Giant
10. Bruno Sammartino
11. Buddy Rogers
12. Steve Austin
13. Joe Stecher
14. Antonio Inoki
15. George Hackenschmidt
16. Giant Baba
17. Gorgeous George
18. Verne Gagne
19. The Rock
20. Harley Race
21. Antonino Rocca
22. Dusty Rhodes
23. Nick Bockwinkel
24. Terry Funk
25. Randy Savage
26. Dory Funk Jr.
27. Mil Mascaras
28. Mitsuharu Misawa
29. John Cena
30. William Muldoon
31. Wild Bill Longson
32. The Undertaker
33. Gene Kiniski
34. Stanislaus Zbyszko
35. Killer Kowalski
36. Jack Brisco
37. Jumbo Tsuruta
38. Farmer Burns
39. Stan Hansen
40. Edouard Carpentier
41. The Sheik
42. Yvon Robert
43. Blue Demon
44. Kenta Kobashi
45. The Destroyer
46. Shawn Michaels
47. Whipper Watson
48. Freddie Blassie
49. Bret Hart
50. John Pesek
51. Dick The Bruiser
52. Earl Caddock
53. Riki Choshu
54. Bruiser Brody
55. Tiger Mask
56. Pat O’Connor
57. Johnny Valentine
58. Ray Stevens
59. Bobo Brazil
60. Bob Backlund
61. Triple H
62. Keiji Muto (The Great Muta)
63. Genichiro Tenryu
64. The Great Gama
65. Akira Maeda
66. Bronko Nagurski
67. Evan Lewis
68. Toshiaki Kawada
69. Fritz Von Erich
70. Tom Jenkins
71. Perro Aguayo
72. Tatsumi Fujinami
73. Don Leo Jonathan
74. Roddy Piper
75. Big Van Vader
76. Jerry Lawler
77. Danny Hodge
78. Kurt Angle
79. Brock Lesnar
80. Ed Don George
81. Dick Shikat
82. Abdullah the Butcher
83. Chris Jericho
84. Billy Robinson
85. Ray Steele
86. El Hijo Del Santo
87. El Solitario
88. Frank Sexton
89. Shinya Hashimoto
90. Ricky Steamboat
91. Canek
92. Mad Dog Vachon
93. Orville Brown
94. Wladek Zbyszko
95. Superstar Billy Graham
96. Hans Schmidt
97. The Crusher
98. Rey Mysterio Jr.
99. Ray Mendoza
100. Henri DeGlane

You're perfectly entitled to place Jericho near the top of your list, and I respect your opinion. I'm just saying, when it comes to true historians -- not just wrestlers or dirt sheet writers and the like -- he's not near the top. He's one of my all-time favorites, and I have him rated higher (at 83) than most others. For Steve Yohe's Project in 2013, in which top wrestling historians worldwide sent in their "Top 100" lists and a composite list was complied, Jericho ranked #243 all-time. Feel free to take a look for yourself.

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I think he has Jericho at 83.

Jerhico might have a full decades worth of work in him since that inflection point.

Mind you, The Lionheart had a 5 star match at age 47 with Kenny O.

What this really comes down to is a group of guys Pardigm respects has a different and according to the link criteria that is left to interpretation, in ranking these guys.

I’ll contend Jericho is as influential as anyone in the last 25 years.

Bill Goldberg for example can’t hold Jerhico’s jock.

He was bald with goatee and given an unattainable gimmick. After that, dude lived on that nonsense.

Also that list has Big Show ranked ahead of Jerhico among other ridiculous claims.

CM Punk is ranked 60 spots higher. In what universe?

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While drawing & Box Office, importance outside of wrestling, longevity, working ability, style influence were all encouraged as criteria to consider, it was left it open to interpretation of the individual voters.

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The alleged criteria for survey.