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re: Do you have an opinion on the Sioux protests of the N. Dakota oil pipeline?

Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by Theboot32
Mandeville/Poplarville
Member since Jan 2016
2454 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:26 pm to
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The pipeline is not on their land, its 1 to 2 miles from their land. They are protesting a bunch of BS now that it is close to be paid. If the "burial site" and other things were such a big deal to them, why would they wait until now?



gotcha, this makes sense

and they "found" the burial site like a day or two before they were supposed to start work??

Posted by TigersHuskers
Nebraska
Member since Oct 2014
15523 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:27 pm to
They pay nothing and get a few grand a month for it.


So downtrodden.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70336 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:27 pm to
Winner winner
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:28 pm to
It was a few months, but yeah it was discovered after the route didn't go through their property (thus no $$$)
Posted by Theboot32
Mandeville/Poplarville
Member since Jan 2016
2454 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:28 pm to
this seems pretty black and white to me...

so it isnt their land, just a mile or two away...

i dont understand the outrage, is it just because of the "burial site" they discovered or is there something more? do they just not want it close to the burial site or will it be destroyed in construction?
Posted by Theboot32
Mandeville/Poplarville
Member since Jan 2016
2454 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:30 pm to
quote:

route didn't go through their property


ok, this is making more sense now, so since it isnt going through their property, they arent getting paid, so they are trying to find a reason to get paid

boom, we found a burial ground!!!! pay us!

I would assume this "burial ground" would need to be verified by someone independent and if it is in fact one I would also assume as many steps as possible would be taken to preserve it
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:37 pm to
It's drive by a combination of environmentalists who are using it as a tool to make oil more expensive (making renewables more competitive) and idiots who think that having highly flammable trains going across our country is somehow safer for anyone.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24218 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

ok, this is making more sense now, so since it isnt going through their property, they arent getting paid, so they are trying to find a reason to get paid


To take it further than that, "well known" Indian Rights activists DiCaprio, Jessy jackson, Mark Ruffalo, etc are using the Indians to protest the pipeline because of Environmental "concerns".
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122197 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:40 pm to
Native Americans are the ones who really gets a raw deal in this country.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
18094 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:44 pm to
I bet they wouldn't complain if a casino was being built there instead.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105316 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:49 pm to
Quite a contrast between the reaction to these protesters and the reaction to the Oregon wildlfe refuge takeover.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

Do you have an opinion on the Sioux protests of the N. Dakota oil pipeline?


Yes, I do. I think they're pawns. Useful idiots.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:24 pm to
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The question is, why are they being attacked by dogs and the like?
Not saying it's 100% so, but the only videos I've seen, the native Americans were 100% the aggressors, and always taking swings with sticks at the dogs.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:26 pm to
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Worked with a guy years ago who got $1200/month.
I never quite understood while our government is paying Native Americans today, in 2016?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

It was a few months, but yeah it was discovered after the route didn't go through their property (thus no $$$)
This part makes sense.

But in regards to the newly discovered artifacts, is that on their property as well? I guess that's the confusing part to me. Everyone is saying their land is 1-2 miles away, so what's the issue? Is the issue that the newly discovered artifacts are NOT on their land, but rather right in the pipeline route?
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122197 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:31 pm to
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I bet they wouldn't complain if a casino was being built there instead.



They would be the ones building it.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

Quite a contrast between the reaction to these protesters and the reaction to the Oregon wildlfe refuge takeover.
Ahhh, you saw the FB meme, good for you!
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:32 pm to
The new artifacts are supposedly closer on the pipeline route (off the reservation). Keep in mind though that this area hasn't been excavated. No one really knows what is or isn't there.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112918 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:33 pm to
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The new artifacts are supposedly closer on the pipeline route (off the reservation). Keep in mind though that this area hasn't been excavated. No one really knows what is or isn't there.
Gotcha.

Was the pipeline ever originally supposed to go through their land and thus them being paid for it? Or was it always just going to go nearby?

And if it was going to go nearby, were they protesting before the newly discovered artifacts, or did they only recently start protesting once they allegedly found these artifacts?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105316 posts
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:34 pm to
Meme or not, the difference is very noticeable, as is th casual racism.
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