re: Do you have a concealed & carry license?

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I know I just wrote this but....

For all those out there saying someone with a cc engaging this guy wouldn't make a difference, well I have one thing to say YOU'RE WRONG!!!

The people that commit these acts are cowards. Once engaged with the same level of violence they will either surrender or kill them selves. they don't want a fight, that's why they pick soft targets.

IE. last night when the police made entry into that particular theater the gunman turned the gun on himself. The gunman had his car parked right outside the exit. he was planning on an escape, but when the police engaged him he decided to kill himself.

Its very simple with these people if you take the fight to them they show their true colors and more than kill themselves. Look almost every mass shooting and 9/10 the shooter kills himself when engaged or feels trapped.

So back to the main point, had there been one person who was carrying and engaged this man the out come would have been different. instead of 2 dead and 7 injured, maybe you have 2 dead and 3 injured. ( I'm assuming the 2 dead where right next this man and there is really nothing that can be done)

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This guy wasn't afraid to die obviously. He was afraid of getting caught. Big difference.

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I'm legitimately trying to wrap by head around it. I don't get how anyone outside of the military can be trained to handle a situation like this.

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The military doesn't train people for stuff like this either (at least not that I know of). Hell, the military does very, very little handgun training, if any at all.

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This guy wasn't afraid to die obviously. He was afraid of getting caught. Big difference

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what is meant by "coward" is they will not engage a hard target. Soft target- meaning little or no security. little or no threat of being engaged with a weapon. these people pick easy targets, Ie moviegoers, churches, schools. In order to stop an active shooter is to engage them. They will not just simply stop, they will continue until met with force.

I guess. I just think it's very easy to say things like this on a message board after something like this happens. Saying a few weekend training classes would prepare someone for something like this seems a little far fetched. But maybe it's me.

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I'm sure it depends on your MOS but I know infantry guys that say they don't ever do anything with sidearms outside of qualification

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It does as with my mos I train and qualify with my sidearm (m9)

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Training is something you do on a continual basis. Tactical skills are like a knife. If not used or practiced in a regular basis, those skills become dulled. You can't just go take a class or two and then never have to worry about training or practicing again.

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honestly though

what percentage of CCers actually do this?

its low...very low

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You can't just go take a class or two and then never have to worry about training or practicing again.

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I understand that but the number of CC's with this training has to be extremely low.

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I'm sure it depends on your MOS but I know infantry guys that say they don't ever do anything with sidearms outside of qualification.

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This is correct. And we were the exact opposite. We trained with pistols all the time and only trained M-16's a few times a year, like twice at the most. And this all goes back to our MOS as tankers. There simply was not room inside the tank for there to be four m16's stored where we could get to them quickly, like in a situation where we had to abandon the tank after it was hit. Thus we each had a shoulder holstered pistol. We also had one M16 per crew that was stored next to the tank commander and generally was used by whichever crew member was sent out on OP when we were in bivouac.

That's why we trained all the time with pistols while only training on a "familiarization" level with the M16.

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But going to training classes to be able to get big picture tactical concepts and working on basic defensive handgun skills will give someone the tools they need to change the dynamics of an engagement that favors those being targeted by the attacker.

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yes, I have extensive handgun and rifle training and I always tell people even those who are at the most basic level, if ever engaged in a situation like the one last night, its better to take the fight to them. these people will show their true colors and either drop the gun or kill themselves, either way the fight is over. These people don't want a fight they want easy, scared, unarmed targets