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re: Do you have a concealed & carry license?
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:06 pm to Mullet Flap
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:06 pm to Mullet Flap
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You're proposing letting a bunch of dudes with just a little bit of training into theaters with loaded handguns vs. making a theater a high security area
No I'm not. I'm saying self-defense is a basic human right and that all your hypotheticals would mean nothing to you if you were ever faced with an active shooter and were trapped and defenseless. You don't know what can or will happen, and you're basing your position on a warped view of the average person.
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:07 pm to Slinky
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And when it's in a movie theater, like I said before elsewhere on here, you're dealing with multiple sensory issues.
-Sound effects from the movie
-Darkness
-Possibile civilian casualties
That's what people don't understand...not against carrying concealed...but in a dark movie theater??
If someone's child gets hit and killed by a do gooder, that do gooder will still get charged with manslaughter.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:07 pm to Mullet Flap
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Anyone can hypothetical their way to anywhere. My point is that the officers have more training and thus would theoretically be a safer option, in my view.
I mean, I'd prefer a cop to be in the audience than a fellow ccer, I suppose. But I don't think it changes the likelihood of success in this type of hypo all that much. My point is that I, and most people I know, don't CC to make a 20 yard shot across a crowded room.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:10 pm to Mullet Flap
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Which is why we increase the amount of security at these places with trained officials, not billy bob and his CC permit.
Most cities do not have the resources to properly cover a movie theater. For starters, on a typical Friday or Saturday night there will be literally hundreds of people there. Second, most modern theaters have up to 16 or so individual theaters each of which can hold dozens, or even a hundred or so people. Unless most small or mid-sized towns put their entire police force on nothing but theater security duty every weekend, it's just not feasible.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:11 pm to bayou2003
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If someone's child gets hit and killed by a do gooder, that do gooder will still get charged with manslaughter.
These are just such varied circumstances. I mean, I agree, that would be a bad situation obviously.
But if you're in a theater where escape is problematic and someone is spraying lots of people with gunfire, if I'm the father of that kid, I would prefer someone have even the option of deploying a weapon. That's a risk I'm willing to take in a situation where a crazed gunman wants us all dead. What is the alternative, FFS? Wish really hard?
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:13 pm to Darth_Vader
The theaters in Baton Rouge have deputies on scene working details during high traffic times. That doesn't go against saying there will be an influx in security.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:17 pm to Mullet Flap
Darkness in the movie is BS. there is always some light in a movie. When the shooter shoots he is outlined. You should have nite sights or crimson trace on your pistol. And at 20' if you cain't put 2 in center mass you should never carry.
And if you can not shoot it leave it at home.
I said that twice. But if you can shoot it by all means sit close to me and my wife.
And if you can not shoot it leave it at home.
I said that twice. But if you can shoot it by all means sit close to me and my wife.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:18 pm to Slinky
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The theaters in Baton Rouge have deputies on scene working details during high traffic times. That doesn't go against saying there will be an influx in security.
When we go to the movies up here we usually go to either Gadsden or Trussville. On a Friday or Saturday night they'll always have a couple of cops stationed there. But there's no way those two cops can, unless they spot them before they enter the place, stop a crazy gunman who wants access to large amounts of unarmed people in a confined space.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:21 pm to Herman Frisco
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Darkness in the movie is BS. there is always some light in a movie. When the shooter shoots he is outlined. You should have nite sights or crimson trace on your pistol. And at 20' if you cain't put 2 in center mass you should never carry.
You're a fricking idiot.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:22 pm to Darth_Vader
You're right, but if something DOES happen, there are already officers on scene.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:25 pm to TDsngumbo
I have conceal carry permit with the enhanced endorsement.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:27 pm to Herman Frisco
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Darkness in the movie is BS. there is always some light in a movie. When the shooter shoots he is outlined. You should have nite sights or crimson trace on your pistol. And at 20' if you cain't put 2 in center mass you should never carry.
And if you can not shoot it leave it at home.
I said that twice. But if you can shoot it by all means sit close to me and my wife.
Yeah, it's not Call of Duty though. It's not pitch black but it's dark. Once the first few shots go out the room turns to chaos. It would take a remarkable person to remain calm, pull a weapon and take out a moving target in a low light environment.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:28 pm to bayou2003
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If someone's child gets hit and killed by a do gooder, that do gooder will still get charged with manslaughter.
That's bold statement. Can you back that up?
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:31 pm to Shexter
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Yes, I have one. Without regular practice/training, carrying a firearm won't do you much good.
Yea man taking a gun off safety, pointing, and pulling the trigger has always been a real struggle for me.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:33 pm to MightyYat
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It would take a remarkable person to remain calm, pull a weapon and take out a moving target in a low light environment.
I don't think that's the sole expectation for anyone in that type of situation. Neutralizing the threat is definitely a goal, but causing the shooter to move, hesitate, or do anything besides pull the trigger in order to buy time for people to escape is also a large part of engaging the shooter.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:34 pm to Clint Eastwood
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Yea man taking a gun off safety, pointing, and pulling the trigger has always been a real struggle for me.
Talk about being purposely obtuse. Simply FIRING a gun isn't the issue. Having the right mindset and control in a chaotic, dark, life or death situation is a whole other ballgame.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:34 pm to Clint Eastwood
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Yea man taking a gun off safety, pointing, and pulling the trigger has always been a real struggle for me.
You'd be surprised how many people can't do this under stress.
It's easy to talk a big game while you're at the range and all your focused on is what's right in front of you.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:34 pm to Slinky
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by Slinky
You're right, but if something DOES happen, there are already officers on scene.
And how quick do you think they can get into a theater with about a hundred or so people all stampeding the exits? The only way they could be of any use would be if they were already in that room before the firing started.
And seeing how most places now have anywhere from 12 to 16 individual theaters, the odds of the two cops at a given theater just by luck being in the right one is very low.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:37 pm to MightyYat
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Talk about being purposely obtuse. Simply FIRING a gun isn't the issue. Having the right mindset and control in a chaotic, dark, life or death situation is a whole other ballgame.
This once again goes back to what I've said over and over... It's all about training, both target and tactical training. It's available out there and is encourage anyone wanting to get a CC to take advantage of it on a regular basis.
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