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re: Do you believe in free will or is everything already decided?
Posted on 6/1/16 at 2:58 pm to Nuts4LSU
Posted on 6/1/16 at 2:58 pm to Nuts4LSU
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that you don't have free will, you just have the ability to consider various options and choose one from amongst them. And these two things are different... how?
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:06 pm to rebeloke
This sounds like the fuel for a good Calvinist/Arminian debate... 
I believe God is Sovereign over our free agency...
I believe God is Sovereign over our free agency...
Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:09 pm to Chaplain
quote:that would start an arminian genocide
This sounds like the fuel for a good Calvinist/Arminian debate
Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:15 pm to rebeloke
Is there a way to see who has the most down votes? You have to be in the top 3. Every thread you start gets about 25-30.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 3:45 pm to rebeloke
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Do you believe in free will or is everything already decided? by rebeloke
Once you get married, you no longer have free will! Everything is decided for you by the wife.......
Posted on 6/1/16 at 6:20 pm to OweO
If someone gets more down votes than me I'd like to know about it.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:48 am to TheTideMustRoll
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So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that you don't have free will, you just have the ability to consider various options and choose one from amongst them. And these two things are different... how?
In a theoretical sense, they are different. As I pointed out, what we have can substitute for free will and accomplish the same purpose.
The deterministic view that we don't have free will merely says that, if everything about your brain chemistry, structure and all the stimuli to which you have been exposed were known, it would be possible to predict with 100% certainty what you will do. Of course, if your action can be predicted in advance with 100% certainty, then you don't actually have free will.
It's not simply considering options and choosing one. With a given set of options and a given approach to considering them, the one you will choose is already determined. Had you not considered options and simply acted fatalistically, you would not have been exposed to the same stimuli and your action might have been different.
As stated in my first post, it's more of a theoretical difference than a practical one, as both theories lead to the same place as a practical matter, but the neurological process of how you get there may well not be what we are used to thinking it is.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:04 pm to rebeloke
As far as day to day living, yes, I believe things are open to choice.
From the religion side of things, no, we do not have free will. Ever since the fall, when Adam and Eve ate that damn apple, we lost our free choice. So, we can not choose God, God can only choose us.
From the religion side of things, no, we do not have free will. Ever since the fall, when Adam and Eve ate that damn apple, we lost our free choice. So, we can not choose God, God can only choose us.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:41 pm to Nuts4LSU
Your argument contradicts itself at the point where you said, "Had you not considered options..." If determinism is true, then you do not have the option of not considering options. Either you will or you won't, but whether you do or not is not up to you, it's up to physics. The words I am typing now, and the words which you will presumably type in response to them, will then also be up to physics. Debate, logic, and truth are concepts that simply do not exist if determinism is true. You may respond by making points that you believe favor your argument over mine, but keep in mind that if your argument were to be true, you don't actually believe them. The atoms in your brain just so happen to be aligned to produce those thoughts in you, and nothing more.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 4:01 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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If determinism is true, then you do not have the option of not considering options.
Agreed. Other factors will have determined that I would (or wouldn't) consider options.
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The atoms in your brain just so happen to be aligned to produce those thoughts in you, and nothing more.
Well, that and the stimuli to which I am exposed, yes. I agree.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 4:14 pm to rebeloke
Chris W?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 4:19 pm to rebeloke
People respond to external compulsions according to inner necessity.
Free will doesn't exist. Neither does destiny.
Free will doesn't exist. Neither does destiny.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 6/3/16 at 4:21 pm to rebeloke
We are all corks on the water. While we may individually bob on the ripples, we are swept up in the tide that moves the collective.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 6:10 pm to Amazing Moves
If free will doesn't exist, everything is destiny. There would be literally nothing else. The entire timeline of the universe would have been decided by the particular arrangement of particles in the instant after the Big Bang.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 6:15 pm to rebeloke
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rebeloke
It was predestined for me to downvote.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 6:54 pm
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