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Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:16 am to Korkstand
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:16 am to Korkstand
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That logic doesn't follow. I've been harping on and on about the cycle of poverty and bad decisions, and immigrants have already decided to break that cycle.
oh? so these immigrants have just decided to pull themselves up by their boot straps? how bigoted of you.
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:19 am to Logician
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and it's equally unfortunate that white saviors rush in to claim "it's just because they're poor" when that narrative was thoroughly destroyed in the last few pages.
quote:You backed up what I said quite well. I've agreed all along that there is a strong correlation between race, crime, and poverty. Your maps support this quite well. We just disagree on the root cause. I think it's poverty, you think it's race/culture.
i've shown you FACTS...data and information in graphical form. we've highlighted areas of poor people, black people, white people. you've replied to none of it, let alone provided any information, data, facts, or links of your own to back up anything you've said.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:21 am to Korkstand
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I think it's poverty, you think it's race/culture.
explain NBA youngboy and co.
They have more money than we do combined. They aren’t dealing with poverty.
it IS a CULTURE thing. Trash/thug/trailer park culture.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 11:22 am
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:22 am to Korkstand
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I think it's poverty, you think it's race/culture.
That guy has proved you wrong about half a dozen times in this thread.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:23 am to Logician
quote:quote:link? proof? anything??
Immigrants come here specifically to build a better life.
Are you really trying to argue that the vast majority of immigrants have uprooted their entire lives and are not motivated to be successful? It's hard to imagine moving to another town, much less go through the arduous process of moving to another country, unless you were trying to improve your lot in life.
And you called me a clown.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:25 am to Korkstand
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And you called me a clown.
If the shoe fits, wear it.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:27 am to beerJeep
quote:I know that nothing in this world applies in all cases. I'm one of the few on this board who often speaks in terms of rates instead of all or nothing, black and white language.
You do know that this doesn’t apply to all immigrants, right?
quote:Some do, some don't.
How about you focus on the reason why each generation, as they become more “americanized” they begin to perform worse and worse?
quote:To quote you:
Why is it that the Great grand children of immigrants perform worse than the children of immigrants? Shouldn’t they perform better, if, like you said, they are making better decisions and hanging in the right crowds?
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You do know that this doesn’t apply to all immigrants, right?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:29 am to beerJeep
quote:When you cherry-pick the most motivated from a given community, we would expect better results than average. I don't know why this is hard to understand.
oh? so these immigrants have just decided to pull themselves up by their boot straps? how bigoted of you.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:29 am to sec13rowBBseat28
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That guy has proved you wrong about half a dozen times in this thread.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:30 am to Korkstand
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Some do, some don't.
well, the numbers say that each generation performs poorer than the previous. Of course, some continue to outperform their parents, but, on average, the children perform worse than their parents as they become more Americanized.
WHY?
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To quote you:
cuz white man bad
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:33 am to Korkstand
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When you cherry-pick the most motivated from a given community, we would expect better results than average. I don't know why this is hard to understand.
except that is not the case. This group involves ALL immigrants including refugees - those that are NOT cherry-picked, brightest of the bright.
Why can’t you simply admit that certain aspects of AMERICAN culture, premerely that of the Victim mentality and “woe is me” that has permeated our society in the last 50 years are the driving force behind our sub-par education and achievement rates.
If first generation immigrants that come here with nothing but the clothes on their back, often times learning english as a second language can do it, our native born, english as a first language frick sticks can do it.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 11:34 am
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:35 am to Korkstand
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I'm one of the few on this board who often speaks in terms of rates instead of all or nothing, black and white language.
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Talking in circles isn't better than black or white fwiw
That's all you've been doing here. Well besides beating around the bush
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:39 am to Korkstand
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We just disagree on the root cause. I think it's poverty, you think it's race/culture.
Rap/ghetto culture glorifies behaviors that are detrimental to the individuals who live that lifestyle, their communities and society as a whole. But if a poor black kid tries to take a different path in life they are often accused of "acting white". That's a cultural problem. How many dead "aspiring rappers" would it take to convince you?
That's not to say there aren't trashy white people as well that have their own cultural issues. There absolutely are, but we are discussing homicides in Baton Rouge and that's mostly a black on black problem.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:40 am to beerJeep
quote:You don't seem to recognize that even refugees left folks behind. They are the most motivated of their community to make a better life. You don't have to be the brightest of the bright to find success. You just need to be able to break out of the negative cycle if that's part of your life.
except that is not the case. This group involves ALL immigrants including refugees - those that are NOT cherry-picked, brightest of the bright.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:44 am to Korkstand
sooooooooooo you ever gonna give your reasoning for why each subsequent generation performs worse as they become Americanized or you gonna continue to beat around the bush with nonanswers?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:45 am to fallguy_1978
It all starts at home. The nuclear family is not valued in the hood. The people being murdered in the streets never had a chance.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:49 am to Breauxsif
quote:i feel like a loser for knowing this, but most of the murders happening in the bottom are gang related, targeted shootings.
“The Bottom” is more than likely one of the most dangerous ghettos in the entire U.S.
it's not as dangerous as the nawf side for normal people/civilians.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:51 am to GreatLakesTiger24
I used to cut through Washington Street sometimes. I think the worst area of BR is Gus Young near North Acadian up to Winbourne.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:52 am to fallguy_1978
quote:So this goes back to my primary point.. If we can agree that people of any color can fall into the multi-generational cycle of poverty, drugs, crime, and other poor decisions that result from negative influences, what is the purpose of spending the time to highlight the correlation with a specific color of people rather than the correlation with poverty? And then by suggesting that I get called the racist.
That's not to say there aren't trashy white people as well that have their own cultural issues. There absolutely are, but we are discussing homicides in Baton Rouge and that's mostly a black on black problem.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:52 am to Breauxsif
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It all starts at home. The nuclear family is not valued in the hood. The people being murdered in the streets never had a chance.
I'm the board chair of a charter school. Last night and tonight I have had to have appeals for the expulsions of 8 girls stemming from a brawl in the hallway. Not one father has showed up with any of the girls, it's usually a grandmother. I've done probably 20-25 of these over the years, and we've had 1 father show up to an expulsion appeal
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