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re: Did Google pull a "Gavin Belson" on search manipulation w/ Hillary Clinton

Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:44 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:44 am to
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Why is Google choosing to actively alter their search engine to align with a political party a bad business decision?

it's not that crazy, especially given the context of our current PATRIOT Act existence and all the evil shite NSA is doing
Posted by mahdragonz
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:47 am to
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then why is EVERY OTHER search engine conflciting?


If those search engines are so awesome, why aren't they leading the search game?

You are saying yahoo - which is bing - is better than Google?

Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:47 am to
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then why is EVERY OTHER search engine conflciting?



I don't know how every other search engine works.

Google is the absolute best search engine. I assume it operates differently by a different algorithm and that's why it runs differently than anyone else.

No one has explained why this couldn't just be a result of the way their algorithm works.

Come on SFP, I want actual evidence. Technical evidence. Not circumstancial bullshite and anecdotes.
This post was edited on 6/10/16 at 10:48 am
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:47 am to
More than likely the Clinton campaign hired a search optimization group. My organization hired one as well and they are fairly common in industry.

Also google search results can be skewed without google's involvement at all through keyword manipulation

I highly doubt google would alter search results for election purposes because that would destroy trust in their search engine
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:48 am to
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You are saying yahoo - which is bing - is better than Google?

if they're offering non-biased searches? yes
Posted by PrivatePublic
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:48 am to
If you type in "Hillary Clinton is a bitc", the one and only search suggestion is

Hillary Clinton is a bitcoin.

RIGGED AS frick
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:49 am to
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I highly doubt google would alter search results for election purposes because that would destroy trust in their search engine



Literally every other search engine out there is in disagreement with Google. There are other things that have come out about Google actively working with the HRC campaign that raised eyebrows...and then this stuff came along.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:50 am to
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No one has explained why this couldn't just be a result of the way their algorithm works.

well no matter what it's part of their algorithm

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Google is the absolute best search engine. I assume it operates differently by a different algorithm and that's why it runs differently than anyone else.

i don't know the current stats these days, but it built its empire when it was the best for sure

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Come on SFP, I want actual evidence. Technical evidence.

go look at the difference in analytical data and the predictive suggestions

that gap is technical evidence that can only be explained if you go into lala land
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:50 am to
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If you type in "Hillary Clinton is a bitc", the one and only search suggestion is

Hillary Clinton is a bitcoin.



WOW.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:50 am to
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More than likely the Clinton campaign hired a search optimization group. My organization hired one as well and they are fairly common in industry.

Also google search results can be skewed without google's involvement at all through keyword manipulation

I highly doubt google would alter search results for election purposes because that would destroy trust in their search engine



This is what I'm saying. I'd need Alot more evidence than the predictions in their search bar to call for google's demise.
This post was edited on 6/10/16 at 10:51 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:50 am to
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More than likely the Clinton campaign hired a search optimization group. My organization hired one as well and they are fairly common in industry.

Also google search results can be skewed without google's involvement at all through keyword manipulation

how can you use SEO to eliminate predictive text or lower the rankings of articles involving non-related parties?
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:51 am to
Google has a list of non-complete words and b!tch is one.

Posted by Mr President
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:51 am to
This reminds of an article I read a while back concerning a concept that the author dubbed the "Google effect". Basically, it is the theory that if companies like Google and Facebook obtain enough influence (which they have amongst the lowest common denominator of the populace) to alter election results by approximately 5%, especually in battleground states and regions, they would in effect control most election results. Especially with driverless cars now, I'm sure the tech giants are gonna need plenty of political influence in the immediate short term too so none of this surprises me and I'm sure it happens on levels we can't even see
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:51 am to
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Literally every other search engine out there is in disagreement with Google. There are other things that have come out about Google actively working with the HRC campaign that raised eyebrows...and then this stuff came along.

plus Facebook JUST got busted manipulated rankings of news stories to lower non-liberal stories and raise liberal stories

it's not like this hasn't just been exposed recently
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
466236 posts
Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:52 am to
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If you type in "Hillary Clinton is a bitc", the one and only search suggestion is

Hillary Clinton is a bitcoin.



Posted by mkibod1
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:52 am to
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If you type in "Hillary Clinton is a bitc", the one and only search suggestion is

Hillary Clinton is a bitcoin.

RIGGED AS frick



Nice find. Wow...
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:53 am to
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how can you use SEO to eliminate predictive tex


You don't have to eliminate Predictive text if you can get another search with the exact same words to be predicted higher.

Again, Hillary Clinton criminal prosecution does come up if you type in "Hillary Clinton crimi".

I'd assume someone who manipulates searched for a living would know this.
Posted by Kracka
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:55 am to
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when the government becomes that powerful and controls that much money, you're going to have major players picking sides

take google. imagine the favors they may get if HRC wins. with those terrible NSA programs and all the legal, financial, and moral burdens they impose on companies like Google, it only makes sense they're trying to gain some favor to gain an advantage over their competition


So to me that sounds like it's more about power and information than it is money
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:55 am to
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plus Facebook JUST got busted manipulated rankings of news stories to lower non-liberal stories and raise liberal stories

it's not like this hasn't just been exposed recently




Yup. Plus Twitter pulling the "verified" from certain conservative journalist/bloggers...and people on the right are getting extremely suspicious, and rightly so, of the tech giants.

There's also been comments from their founders, as well as the obvious considerable donations to Left-wing candidates from them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:55 am to
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You don't have to eliminate Predictive text if you can get another search with the exact same words to be predicted higher.

so we're under the assumption that HRC has spent millions of SEO to promote "Hillary clinton India"?

but even then, the indictment isn't even listed, so it's not an issue of "ranking"

you'd see "Hillary Clinton India" firs tand then "Hillary Clinton indictment" second

you wouldn't have the "indictment" search eliminated entirely
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