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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case

Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:42 pm to
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:42 pm to
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But the defense attorneys are filing to kick out the entire case they said in the press conference. So that's a decision for the Judge to make.


Thats a good point.

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Judges are like NFL refs. There are 3 or 4 key moments where they can tip things - if they're so inclined - in one direction or the other. At least, that's what I see on the TV trials.


I see your point, but I think it’s easy to overstate that.

The jury sees the judge as the only fair, impartial person in the courtroom. Judges tend to react to attorneys based on how the attorneys handle themselves more than what side they represent. It is very true that lawyers who earn the respect of the judge are more likely to earn trust from the jury.

But I don’t think in most cases that a judge can or will put a “thumb on the scale.” I think what you are seeing is lawyers screwing up in front of the judge, repeatedly, and the judge reacting to that.

Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:45 pm to
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If I am ever on trial. I want you to be part of the jury.


No disrespect intended, but he wouldn’t make it past voir dire with me.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:46 pm to
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Thats a good point.



Great... Way to encourage 'him' even more.

He's bizarre, almost like a cross between a bot and Oweo....
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:48 pm to
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Great... Way to encourage 'him' even more. He's bizarre, almost like a cross between a bot and Oweo....


He was right on this one.

I’m still trying to figure out how he has been to 300 home LSU games.
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:49 pm to
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I have the right to free speech here - for now - and will exercise it.


This isn’t a government controlled website. Why do you think you have 1A rights here?
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:50 pm to
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between a bot


I have wondered if this is some sort of AI. But then I asked him to identify himself and his news outlet, and he got very angry.
Posted by TigerBaitOohHaHa
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:52 pm to
Just so I understand... This particular case will go to a Grand Jury. They will make the recommendation (their findings are not public) to the DA. The DA decides to proceed (or not), correct?? How does the defense attorney going to the judge to kick out the case come into play? I really want to understand how this works. I'm obviously not a reporter. Nor am I an aspiring novelist, podcaster, or otherwise. Just probably time I dust up on my civics.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 8:53 pm
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:55 pm to
I think its just a reporter from some news website who is doing everything to squeeze as much bullshite out of this thread that they can. Most of the posts from them are just rambling nonsense. Basically throw shite against the wall and keep the thread going.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:57 pm to
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I’m still trying to figure out how he has been to 300 home LSU games.



I didn't think he specified "home" games... Even so, avg. 8 games a year for 37+ years? Nah...
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:57 pm to
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Why do you think you have 1A rights here?


This site is governed by the TD Constitution:


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Chicken shall make any law he damn well pleases abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the OTers to organize OTGTs, or to whack “Meet me at Sonic” threads, or to peaceably petition the Help Board or Reinstatement thread for a redress of grievances, except in the case of Lucas P, who is permabanned.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:01 pm to
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Just so I understand... This particular case will go to a Grand Jury. They will make the recommendation (their findings are not public) to the DA. The DA decides to proceed (or not), correct?? How does the defense attorney going to the judge to kick out the case come into play? I really want to understand how this works. I'm obviously not a reporter. Nor am I an aspiring novelist, podcaster, or otherwise. Just probably time I dust up on my civics.


Really out of my element here. It’s been a long damn time, but . . .

I think they can indict noncapital crimes without a grand jury. I think the defense can then force a preliminary hearing at which the prosecution has to present probable cause.

Don’t lean hard on this at all. I am very weak on this part of criminal procedure.
Posted by TigerBaitOohHaHa
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:06 pm to
your weak is better than my strong. I read a few JonBenet Ramsey books and was shocked to learn a Grand Jury wanted to indict the parents, but the DA Refused. I think I might have listened to some podcasts about it as well. I suppose after my JD from Google, I could also list a Minor in True Crime podcasts. A lady has to listen to something on her morning walks.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 9:09 pm
Posted by TigerBaitOohHaHa
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:08 pm to
And I never thought I'd appreciate being able to communicate with an insomniac judge (?) but your insight seems measured and diplomatic. I appreciate your contributions to this board.
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:16 pm to
He is not a judge
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:18 pm to
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He is not a judge


He’s right. I’m not a judge.
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:26 pm to
So why the login name?
Posted by RT1941
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:28 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 9:41 pm
Posted by TigerBaitOohHaHa
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:31 pm to
Well, thanks for the disclaimer. Safe to say someone in the world of Jurisprudence, however??
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:43 pm to
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So why the login name?


I was reading Blood Meridian when I signed up. Judge Holden was a character. I had not gotten far enough to know the character was pure evil.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:44 pm to
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Safe to say someone in the world of Jurisprudence, however??


Safe to say.
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