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re: Delphi, IN Murders Trial Thread
Posted on 11/8/24 at 11:24 am to Poichess
Posted on 11/8/24 at 11:24 am to Poichess
I always wonder if they take a quick vote first to see where folks stand and then start going over evidence relative to people's opinions. This was a long trial with a lot of testimony.
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Posted on 11/8/24 at 11:48 am to Gris Gris
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I always wonder if they take a quick vote first to see where folks stand and then start going over evidence relative to people's opinions. This was a long trial with a lot of testimony.
One one of the podcasts,they were talking about how some of the laws are different in Indiana (for instance, juror questions to witnesses). Also, the jury has periods of deliberation before the completion of the trial. I don't know exactly how it works, but it sounds like every so often they can discuss what was presented by different witnesses.
Posted on 11/8/24 at 11:56 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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One one of the podcasts,they were talking about how some of the laws are different in Indiana (for instance, juror questions to witnesses). Also, the jury has periods of deliberation before the completion of the trial. I don't know exactly how it works, but it sounds like every so often they can discuss what was presented by different witnesses.
That's really interesting. I knew about the notes and the questions, but had no idea they could discuss the case prior to actual deliberations.
Posted on 11/8/24 at 3:15 pm to Gris Gris
The deliberations are done for the day. Looking hung to me.
Posted on 11/8/24 at 3:41 pm to Gris Gris
Agree.
If I were on the jury and decided one way or another almost immediately, I can see taking the night to sleep on it and giving it a few hours to make it seem like we really took our time on it.
But a sequestered jury going to Saturday means they have a lot of work to do.
If I were on the jury and decided one way or another almost immediately, I can see taking the night to sleep on it and giving it a few hours to make it seem like we really took our time on it.
But a sequestered jury going to Saturday means they have a lot of work to do.
Posted on 11/8/24 at 3:55 pm to bikerack
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But a sequestered jury going to Saturday means they have a lot of work to do.
Or they cannot agree on a verdict.
They have to be ready to go home unless some of them are jobless, perhaps, and need the money for jury duty. Employers do not have to pay employees while they are on jury duty.
Below is what they make. I wonder if they get paid for Sundays also since they can't go home or anywhere else.
"Jurors will receive $30 just for reporting for service. If you are selected as a juror, you will receive $80 per day for the first five days of the trial. Beginning on the sixth day of the trial, jurors will receive $90 per day through the end of the trial. Checks for jury service are usually mailed no later than three weeks after you complete your service."
Posted on 11/8/24 at 4:09 pm to Gris Gris
I’m sure they are ready to go home but the trial also turned out to be not as long as it could have been.
Posted on 11/8/24 at 4:14 pm to WestSideTiger
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I’m sure they are ready to go home but the trial also turned out to be not as long as it could have been.
That would be a relief and make me ready to go home even more. I don't like not having control over my life either. That would drive me crazy like Richard Allen!
Posted on 11/9/24 at 12:11 pm to Gris Gris
Today's report, so far.
This is odd to me. I know when jurors have asked to see specific evidence the defendant is usually present, but the jurors aren't actually deliberating in front of the defendant. This reads like it's more of a casual thing that jurors will be looking at evidence and I assume can be speaking with each other. I'd like to know more about how this is proceeding.
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9:55 a.m. - Richard Allen enters the courthouse. 13News senior investigative reporter Bob Segall said it appears the jury will be reviewing evidence in the courtroom this morning. Allen and his attorneys have a right to be present for that as the jury continues deliberations.
This is odd to me. I know when jurors have asked to see specific evidence the defendant is usually present, but the jurors aren't actually deliberating in front of the defendant. This reads like it's more of a casual thing that jurors will be looking at evidence and I assume can be speaking with each other. I'd like to know more about how this is proceeding.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 12:25 pm to Gris Gris
True Hidden Crime has a source and she says he has good sources - apparently the jury wanted to look at bridge guy video again and one of his videos with LE.
I still think we get a hung jury.
I still think we get a hung jury.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 12:41 pm to Gris Gris
So I know it’s been reported a blue jacket was taken from Allen’s home along with other items. I haven’t seen anything where prosecutors tried to show if it was the same jacket though. It would seem unbelievable that he’d have kept the jacket? Maybe he would have thought it would look worse if he got rid of it?
He did get rid of the phone he had that day although 23 devices were collected (10 of which were phones). I know those devices could have also belonged to his wife and daughter but seems strange he claims his wife recycled that one in particular.
They kinda lucked out getting the gun. Allen would have had no reason to think his gun could be used against him though.
He did get rid of the phone he had that day although 23 devices were collected (10 of which were phones). I know those devices could have also belonged to his wife and daughter but seems strange he claims his wife recycled that one in particular.
They kinda lucked out getting the gun. Allen would have had no reason to think his gun could be used against him though.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:05 pm to lachellie
I'm out the loop on this one but how could DNA evidence not be all over this shite? We're the investigators just terrible?
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:29 pm to Giantkiller
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We're the investigators just terrible?
clowns
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:34 pm to Giantkiller
Killer was probably as “hands off” as off possible until he needed to be. They claim articles of clothing are missing as a souvenir. A sock for one. Maybe those items were used like gloves so he took them with him? He had the girls dress and undress themselves. Weapon was never found. He didn’t cut himself.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:38 pm to Giantkiller
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I'm out the loop on this one but how could DNA evidence not be all over this shite? We're the investigators just terrible?
Anything could have happen in 5 years.
It also might not even be same jacket. He could have found a used one or just bought another using cash and after making it looked used threw away the original.
I can’t remember if bridge guy was supposed to have been wearing gloves, but I still can’t believe that outside of any with obvious blood that they left the rest of branches covering the girls behind for weeks. A better lab or crime scene team might have been able to find something on them - dna or threads of material. I usually scratch my hand and handling branches without gloves, and I also usually get at least one caught somewhere on clothes (or gloves if not work type gloves). I likely leave snot and spit on them as well. Instead they sat out for weeks in the elements including animals moving them or adding new ones before someone sent to pick them up. I don’t think they did anything with them at that point besides store them, but I guess someone realized it was a mistake and better to go get them even if evidence compromised at that point.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 2:47 pm to dallastigers
Deliberations ended for the day earlier than the time allowed. They could have gone longer.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 3:01 pm to Gris Gris
I'm curious if the jury can send a note to the judge saying they are deadlocked and if we would know about it.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 3:17 pm to POTUS2024
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I'm curious if the jury can send a note to the judge saying they are deadlocked and if we would know about it.
Don’t know in Indiana, but in other situations, the judge calls the parties back to court, calls the jury in and gives instructions on trying to reach a verdict.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 4:02 pm to Gris Gris
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Deliberations ended for the day earlier than the time allowed. They could have gone longer.
3rd day in a row they've stopped early. That's not a negative remark...just a fact. If it was getting heated in there, I'd want to break early too.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 5:39 pm to bikerack
From everything I’ve read, I’m really impressed with this jury. I know they’re ready to go home, but they know how important this trial is, and don’t appear to be rushing to get a verdict just so they can be done. Really impressive since they’re off tomorrow.
And reports were they were really engaged during the whole thing. They asked good questions. I’m not gonna read into which side it’s good for, but I’m glad they asked to go over evidence again.
Richard Allen is going to have to live with this verdict, the families of the victims are gonna have to live with it, Allen’s family, the prosecution, the law enforcement investigators, the community of Delphi, everybody. But the jurors themselves are gonna have to live with it too, and I’m glad they seem to be taking that responsibility as seriously as they appear to be.
I would really love to know where they stand right now, though. I hope one day we’ll find out where they started and how they came to whatever decision they wind up landing on.
And reports were they were really engaged during the whole thing. They asked good questions. I’m not gonna read into which side it’s good for, but I’m glad they asked to go over evidence again.
Richard Allen is going to have to live with this verdict, the families of the victims are gonna have to live with it, Allen’s family, the prosecution, the law enforcement investigators, the community of Delphi, everybody. But the jurors themselves are gonna have to live with it too, and I’m glad they seem to be taking that responsibility as seriously as they appear to be.
I would really love to know where they stand right now, though. I hope one day we’ll find out where they started and how they came to whatever decision they wind up landing on.
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