re: Defeat the Nurse Practitioner scope of practice expansion - Louisiana SB 187

The difference is the curve distribution or intellect of the average student in the class and the difficulty level and expanse of the subject matter. You don't know what you don't know.

The books are different, the lectures are different, the teachers are different, the labs are different, the curve is different, the admissions scores are different, the length of coursework is different, the patient acuity is different, the standards are different, the students (on average) are very different, the board exams are immensely different, the test questions are different, the workload is different. The medical doctor trains in all major areas (psych, medicine, family medicine, neurology, pediatrics, surgery, OBGYN). The body is incredibly complicated and systems are inter-related. Live through some of this training and then come present your ideas

Doctor of Nursing Practice

And DNPs are not allowed to call themselves doctors nor do they try to. No NP actually thinks they are on exact equal footing as a doctor, at least not the ones I know. Most know their place on the totem pole.

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How many episodes of Matlock do I have to watch to be a lawyer?

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31 of Matlock
11 of LA Law
8 of Law and Order

You also need to have completed A Few Good Men, My Cousin Vinny, and To Kill a Mockingbird.

The Bar is considering adding Better Call Saul as required viewing, and I support that.

Why would you hang a degree on your wall which says doctor and not believe that is what you are.

The noun in the degree is Doctor (the rest is a prepositional phrase).

Why would you wear a long white coat and believe you are anything but a doctor with a long coat and a degree which says doctor

Won't be me. I have noooooo desire whatsoever to become an NP. Ever. If I tire of hospital bedside nursing I'll go in case management or take a paycut and take some easy job working at a doctor's office.


It is crazy now all the nurses that think they just have to get their masters now and then work to get their DNP. Even with expanded scope of practice here....I know nurses that are Peds NPs and are still working as regular RNs....cause they can't find a Peds NP job. That has to suck having all that extra educational debt....but I'm making pretty much the same as you without even a BSN

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We'll said, and my wife is an NP. The training is pretty much a joke. You really have to educate and train yourself. She had to pretty much beg some MD's to precept her and wasn't all that interested in teaching. Its a terrible system the way it's set up now.

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This is spot on from my anecdotal experience. On rotations during med school I came across a few RNs pursuing their NP and all they were doing was shadowing the MD. No seeing patients, no clinical decision making, simply following the MD around. One of the girls was getting her DNP online through some school in Alabama. Didn't leave me with very much confidence in the process.

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an area of need.

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Another place that you really need someone well-trained, otherwise you start hurting people.

I am not an NP and have no desire to be one. It pays less than bedside nursing and requires more education/responsibility. However, this thread could benefit from a healthy dose of humility. Maybe the reason some prefer the NP is the difference in bedside manner. Docs, some of you sound condescending and arrogant. Maybe your patients agree...

How do you address the need of more primary care providers? Med schools have pretty much tried everything to pursuade students to go into primary care. Students simply don't feel the payoff is worth the investment when compared to docs who specialize. The other option is to just have pcps see more patients per day. I hear the argument that allowing NPs to become pcps will compromise standard of care, however, making pcps see 10 more patients a day does nothing but comprise the standard of care as well. So what is the answer?