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re: Defeat the Nurse Practitioner scope of practice expansion - Louisiana SB 187

Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:31 pm to
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:31 pm to
quote:

I'm
Not
In
Primary
Care


Okay?
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 10:31 pm
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:31 pm to
quote:

And specialists know more than GPs but that doesn't stop GPs from treating patients with comorbidities.



Assuming you're talking about primary care physicians and not GPs (of which there are almost none), specialists really don't know more than them in general. A good primary care physician probably takes care of 90% of the things most specialists take care of. Heck, i heard one internal medicine physician, who I admired the hell out of as a medical student, say "I never consult a specialist to think for me. I consult a specialist when I want a procedure done that I can't do."
For some reason, people in America think that specialists are these fantastic brainiacs, but they don't see the breadth of conditions primary care sees. Oddly enough, mid levels fit much better into sub specialist care than they do into primary care. The field is much broader and encompasses much more knowledge than you (it seems) or most people give credit to the PCP for.


Further, physician communication is awful, in general. A patient with COPD, hypertension, and diabetes is probably better off with a good IM/FM doc than with a pulmonologist, a cardiologist, and an endocrinologist (assuming no primary care). They approach care quite differently, don't speak to each other directly, and patients are generally unreliable for knowing their own medications or keeping updated lists- so when one makes a change the other doesn't know about, bad things happen. And this isn't an infrequent occurrence. And none of them are bad physicians. Now, of course, if you get into the "patient centered medical home" (an impossible task in rural areas, where primary care is needed so badly) and large groups or put that same scenario with a PCP looking over everyone, it's a different story.

So, in general, people seem to think they need a specialist for basically every problem when, in reality, primary care is more than capable of taking care of (rough estimate) 90% of what walks through the door. People don't seem to know or understand this for some reason. It baffles me. Would you maybe be able to elaborate on why you think a specialist is better at caring for patients or "knows more" in general than a primary care doc?
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:31 pm to
GP
Is someone
Without
A
Residency

Nobody
Does
That
Because
They
Wouldn't
Be
Board
Certified

Y'all
Are
So
Clueless

You
Have
No idea
About
What you're
Talking
About

Go
To school
1
Decade
And
Post
In
2026
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:32 pm to
We
Don't
Have
nps
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
22612 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:32 pm to
quote:


It's not my job! Read the thread! They're not trying to do what I do


Hey, I get it man, you're just practicing due diligence.

"First they came for the dermotologist jobs, but I wasn't a dermatologist"

Also, your enter and space buttons are not interchangeable, surprised they didn't teach you that during your invaluable residency.
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 10:36 pm
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:34 pm to
quote:

Not all docs have Nps


Okay. Why do docs hire these untrained, ill equipped people to manage patients and write scrips for them?
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:35 pm to
primary
Care
Doctor
Is
The
Quarterback

Y'all
Are
Gonna
Make
The
Quarterback
Extinct

And
Then
Wonder
When
The
Ball
Is
Back
There
In
The
End zone
After
The
Snap
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 10:37 pm
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:36 pm to
Outside of you're little technical world, everyone calls their Family Med or Internal Med Physican "their GP".
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
31608 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:36 pm to
quote:

"I never consult a specialist to think for me. I consult a specialist when I want a procedure done that I can't do."

This. Each has a role. As do the NP. I know where I stand in the hierarchy. They obviously do not. It'll pass and people will learn the hard way. frick'em.
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
22612 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:37 pm to
You think people are too vain to have a nurse write them a script for some steroid cream to take care of an easily diagnosed allergy rash too?

Half or more of the times people go to see a doc they already know what they have and just want solution in the form of meds. The internet has made like, at least a third of your job defunct and nurses take care of another third.
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 10:39 pm
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:37 pm to
Those doctors view that term as a derogatory slight btw
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:38 pm to
I gotta say the OP's meltdown throughout this thread is kinda entertaining
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:39 pm to
We said they're not equipped for autonomous management. That's all I said
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:39 pm to
quote:

People are too vain to ever ruin dermatology.


Let's face it how hard is Derm, really?

It's one of 3 things:

1) Increase/add moisturizer
2) Decrease/omit moisturizer
3) You need to see an allergist
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:40 pm to
quote:

Those doctors view that term as a derogatory slight btw


Why are they so insecure?
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:41 pm to
quote:

Seriously? Substandard care will lead to more hospital admissions and further burden on the system.



Says who? Nobody is forcing you to use substandard care. You can pay for the best if you want it. If you want a "real" doctor then pay for one. If you don't then don't. Freedom would be more efficient in allocating resources.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:41 pm to
quote:

Seriously? Substandard care will lead to more hospital admissions and further burden on the system.



Says who? Nobody is forcing you to use substandard care. You can pay for the best if you want it. If you want a "real" doctor then pay for one. If you don't then don't. Freedom would be more efficient in allocating resources.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:41 pm to
quote:

Seriously? Substandard care will lead to more hospital admissions and further burden on the system.



Says who? Nobody is forcing you to use substandard care. You can pay for the best if you want it. If you want a "real" doctor then pay for one. If you don't then don't. Freedom would be more efficient in allocating resources.
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:42 pm to
There are malignant skin disorders which end up in the brain buddy
Posted by Volt
Midway Island, N Pacific Ocean
Member since Nov 2009
3243 posts
Posted on 5/11/16 at 10:42 pm to
quote:

I gotta say the OP's meltdown throughout this thread is kinda entertaining


It has been entertaining
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