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re: December 17, 1943 - A Super Bomber to Break Japan
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:37 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:37 pm to Obtuse1
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Almost twice as many went down due to engine failure than were shot down by the Japanese.
My father was in B-29s after WW II and during the Korean War. He flew in the 279th Air Rescue Squadron, which entailed loitering over the water and dropping a relatively large lifeboat to downed crews.
I remember him telling me that they came home on three engines more often than four, and had one particularly hairy landing with two engines out. This was after B-29s had been in service for ~5 years. You'd think they'd have the kinks worked out by then, but apparently not.
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Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:48 pm to RollTide1987
The Soviet reverse engineering of the B-29 into their Tu-4 is an interesting chapter of Cold War strategy.
Wikipedia Link to Tu-4
Link to Rickroll yourself…
Wikipedia Link to Tu-4
Link to Rickroll yourself…
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:54 pm to Strannix
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The A-bomb hand wringers are clueless to the fact the firebombing of Tokyo was more brutal.
There is nobody to blame but Japan themselves. frick around and find out.
Those fricks knew it was over in late 1943 but kept fighting out of pride.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:11 pm to Frac the world
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Those fricks knew it was over in late 1943 but kept fighting out of pride.
Well, that's one interpretation. Some (most, maybe all) of the military believed in the Bushido Code. But some, including the emperor's advisors, continued fighting for a negotiated peace rather than unconditional surrender.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:17 pm to RollTide1987
Incinerate all of those Jap mothers and infants into cinder dust !!!
OR - We were ONLY targeting purely military targets. Any innocents that were harmed was purely incidental and collateral.
I personally am not sure which position is most correct. I don't want to offend, so, I'll just leave it at that.
OR - We were ONLY targeting purely military targets. Any innocents that were harmed was purely incidental and collateral.
I personally am not sure which position is most correct. I don't want to offend, so, I'll just leave it at that.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:33 pm to Champagne
In Toyko, a lot of industry was scattered site, small scale production in residential neighborhoods. Not sure if that held true for everywhere in Japan. But LeMay firebombed about 60 cities before hostilities ended and killed untold numbers of Japanese, both military and civilian. But civilians took the brunt of the napalm raids and LeMay didn't lose a minutes sleep over the civilian deaths.
After the war, he said if America lost the war, they would have been hung as war criminals.
After the war, he said if America lost the war, they would have been hung as war criminals.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 2:17 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I'd be careful about justifying civilian deaths due to the actions of a nations soldiers.
Plenty of civilians were killed at Pearl Harbor. Was that a justified cause by the Japanese?
Posted on 12/17/22 at 2:28 pm to Breauxsif
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Plenty of civilians were killed at Pearl Harbor. Was that a justified cause by the Japanese?
Fewer than a hundred civilians were killed at Pearl Harbor and some/many of those were killed by friendly fire.
The firebombing raids were a different story. Pearl Harbor and the surrounding military facilities were targeted. The firebombing of Japanese cities was indiscriminate.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 2:35 pm to RollTide1987
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YouTube - World War Two
If you're a war history buff, the people who run this channel and their sister World War I channel do a fantastic job. Indy and his crew have even done visits to various battle sites in Europe for both wars.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 3:32 pm to Breauxsif
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Plenty of civilians were killed at Pearl Harbor. Was that a justified cause by the Japanese?
Of course not. None of it is justifiable.
I was more thinking of any middle east country that has had American troops in it over the last 20 years when I said be careful of justifying civilian deaths due to a nations soldiers.
According to your logic, if a nation's soldiers mistreat another nation, they have cause to attack its citizenry-right?
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 12/17/22 at 3:39 pm to White Roach
How many civilians did the Japs kill in China?
Posted on 12/17/22 at 3:44 pm to White Roach
What happened at Manchuria between the Japanese and Chinese?
Posted on 12/17/22 at 3:49 pm to doubleb
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How many civilians did the Japs kill in China?
A shitload. I don't know what the official estimate was/is, but it was a shitload.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 3:50 pm to Breauxsif
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What happened at Manchuria between the Japanese and Chinese?
See above.
In Nanking alone, I believe some estimates of civilian deaths were in the neighborhood of 300,000. Who knows about the entire war? Life is particularly cheap in Asia. Added to it that, the Japanese considered themselves to be superior to other Asian races (and all other races in general) you had a recipe for genocide.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 12/17/22 at 4:21 pm to White Roach
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The firebombing of Japanese cities was indiscriminate.
FAFO
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