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Posted by Mrtommorrow1987
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:41 pm to
You can already get Narcan from any Pharmacy in America if you are a drug addict. They have a permanent prescription written under a national emergency md name. The more you know right.
This post was edited on 5/25/16 at 9:42 pm
Posted by BamaFan70
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:41 pm to
No I ain't. Everyone on earth knows the danger of heroin. So if someone is still dumb enough to OD on it, then frick em !
Posted by LesMiles BFF
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:44 pm to
Just shut the frick up.
Posted by jennBN
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:47 pm to
Is this true? And if so how? Is there some national junkie database?
Posted by chinese58
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:50 pm to
Anyone who wants to know more about how bad this is or what they are doing in other places needs to spend $2.00 and watch the Youtube video from Frontline called "Chasing Heroin"

Frontline videos

Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:50 pm to
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I've heard this leads to such bad withdrawals that the addicts immediately attempt to get high again


You mean exactly what happens when you come down off of heroin anyway?
Posted by lsunurse
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:53 pm to
This video is appropriate for this thread

LINK
Posted by Mrtommorrow1987
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:55 pm to
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Is this true? And if so how? Is there some national junkie database?



It started last year I believe when a lot of the distributors of heroine were mixing fentanyl with the heroine and the junkies were dying like flies. Basically in like 14 states La i believe is one of them. The junky just presents to a pharmacy and asks for the narcan and the pharmacists fills the prescription under a prewritten Dr. name that has ok'ed it for our state.

They even teach them to inject the narcan into the shoulder and not into the heart contrarily to what pulp fiction taught us.
This post was edited on 5/25/16 at 9:57 pm
Posted by BamaFan70
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:55 pm to
No
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:55 pm to
No they are called precipitated withdrawals and are ten times as bad as normal wd. The naloxone rips off anything attached to the opiate receptors where as if you were coming down normally the dope slowly comes off your receptors
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:55 pm to
I fully expected "Come Down" by Bush
Posted by chinese58
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 9:58 pm to
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For some reason, when they mentioned the part about doctors not wanting to ignore a patient's pain, I thought that was somewhat of an excuse. Just because there were people who were not being treated enough doesn't really justify handing pain pill prescriptions left and right. Did someone even mention they didn't know just how addictive they would be at first? For some reason I recall hearing that, but that sounds like total bullshite. Either way, it seems like that would also fall on the FDA.


I think the Frontline video I linked is where they talked about he company that first developed the pills lying to doctors and telling them people wouldn't get addicted. That company had to pay an $800 million dollar fine, but no one went to jail for this crime. Now all of these people are hooked on opiates and do heroin because the doctors no longer give them out like candy.
Posted by chinese58
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:04 pm to
Purdue Pharma paid $600 million in fines

quote:


How the American opiate epidemic was started by one pharmaceutical company

The state of Kentucky may finally get its deliverance. After more than seven years of battling the evasive legal tactics of Purdue Pharma, 2015 may be the year that Kentucky and its attorney general, Jack Conway, are able to move forward with a civil lawsuit alleging that the drugmaker misled doctors and patients about their blockbuster pain pill OxyContin, leading to a vicious addiction epidemic across large swaths of the state.

A pernicious distinction of the first decade of the 21st century was the rise in painkiller abuse, which ultimately led to a catastrophic increase in addicts, fatal overdoses, and blighted communities. But the story of the painkiller epidemic can really be reduced to the story of one powerful, highly addictive drug and its small but ruthlessly enterprising manufacturer.

On December 12, 1995, the Food and Drug Administration approved the opioid analgesic OxyContin. It hit the market in 1996. In its first year, OxyContin accounted for $45 million in sales for its manufacturer, Stamford, Connecticut-based pharmaceutical company Purdue Pharma. By 2000 that number would balloon to $1.1 billion, an increase of well over 2,000 percent in a span of just four years. Ten years later, the profits would inflate still further, to $3.1 billion. By then the potent opioid accounted for about 30 percent of the painkiller market. What's more, Purdue Pharma's patent for the original OxyContin formula didn't expire until 2013. This meant that a single private, family-owned pharmaceutical company with non-descript headquarters in the Northeast controlled nearly a third of the entire United States market for pain pills.

OxyContin's ball-of-lightning emergence in the health care marketplace was close to unprecedented for a new painkiller in an age where synthetic opiates like Vicodin, Percocet, and Fentanyl had already been competing for decades in doctors' offices and pharmacies for their piece of the market share of pain-relieving drugs. In retrospect, it almost didn't make sense. Why was OxyContin so much more popular? Had it been approved for a wider range of ailments than its opioid cousins? Did doctors prefer prescribing it to their patients?

During its rise in popularity, there was a suspicious undercurrent to the drug's spectrum of approved uses and Purdue Pharma's relationship to the physicians that were suddenly privileging OxyContin over other meds to combat everything from back pain to arthritis to post-operative discomfort. It would take years to discover that there was much more to the story than the benign introduction of a new, highly effective painkiller.
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This post was edited on 5/25/16 at 10:08 pm
Posted by chRxis
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:04 pm to
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No they are called precipitated withdrawals and are ten times as bad as normal wd. The naloxone rips off anything attached to the opiate receptors where as if you were coming down normally the dope slowly comes off your receptors

all of this is sorta technically correct, but the "withdrawal" part of it is not caused by opiate coming of the receptor site.... it's caused because the addict has upregulated so many fricking receptors, and when you quit using, those receptors don't get the opiate that they are used to, so your brain starts saying what the frick... your bodies response is to get ill, and in the process, down regulate all those receptors that aren't being used anymore.... but that takes time, and as any addict that has kicked it before can tell you, it sucks.... it's necessary, but it sucks...
Posted by LesMiles BFF
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:05 pm to
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They even teach them to inject the narcan into the shoulder and not into the heart contrarily to what pulp fiction taught us


They were supposedly injecting adrenalin in Pulp Fiction not narcan (or whatever the brand name is)
Posted by chRxis
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Member since Feb 2008
23568 posts
Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:09 pm to
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You can already get Narcan from any Pharmacy in America if you are a drug addict.

yeah, but good luck finding any retail pharmacy that carries it... i've been a pharmacist for 10 years, and i've never once seen Narcan (naloxone) on a shelf in any of the multiple pharmacies I've worked in....

now, as a student, i worked in a hospital, and we dispensed it, but it wasn't that often dispensed... but that was over 10 years ago, and with the law changing many of the opiates to CII status, i'm sure it's dispensed a lot more frequently now....
Posted by chRxis
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:10 pm to
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They were supposedly injecting adrenalin in Pulp Fiction not narcan (or whatever the brand name is)

they were... i was gonna correct him on this, but forgot...
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:12 pm to
I need some z-packs

Thx
Posted by chRxis
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Member since Feb 2008
23568 posts
Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:17 pm to
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company that first developed the pills lying to doctors and telling them people wouldn't get addicted

like the other dude pointed out, it was OxyContin.... and this drug has become the poster boy for all of this, but it's not the real culprit.... OxyContin was not written all that often, and even if it was, we (pharmacists) never really filled it because we knew how bad the shite was being abused and plus the shite was really, really expensive to keep in stock....

the main culprit is hydrocodone... that's what's in Norco, but at one time, about 2 years ago, before it was changed to a CII, it was in Lortab, Lorcet, Vicodin, Vicodin ES, Vicodin HP, Norco, etc.... all of those were available in generic, so it was cheap for us to keep stocked, and doctors has, as you can see, plenty of options for patients, depending on their pain.... they wrote for it often, and usually for a lot longer than anyone needed to be on it... and the fact that it was not a CII meant that it didn't require a written script everytime it needed to be filled, and it could have refills put on the prescription, assisted in doctors writing/faxing/e-scribing the ever living shite out of it...

many of these addicts started with a legit prescription, then it advanced to dependence, to addiction, and now they are turning to the streets for their fix, and that's a whole 'nother ballgame when compared to abusing pharmaceuticals....
This post was edited on 5/25/16 at 10:21 pm
Posted by Mrtommorrow1987
Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2008
13120 posts
Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:18 pm to
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I need some z-packs



Doomsday preppers just buy the fish antibiotics.
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