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re: Crazy Religious-type dream....and I'm not religious....
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:19 am to Tigerlaff
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:19 am to Tigerlaff
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For anyone reading this thread and thinking that some of these posters sound kind of nuts, you are not crazy.
C'mon Tigerlaff. You believe your thing if it is what works for you. Allow others to believe what they want to believe. I understand your argument that these "standards" seem irrational. Perhaps these standards are misunderstood by our limited awareness or perhaps they are exactly as stated. Who knows?
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:20 am to The Eric
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quote:bamafan1001 And I thought all people from Bama were from the Devil.
Well, im not the devil but im no angel either
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:29 am to Tigerlaff
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For anyone reading this thread and thinking that some of these posters sound kind of nuts, you are not crazy.
These people literally believe that faith (believing without evidence) is more important to a divine being than being a good person.
A murderer who is very gullible or susceptible to new ideas can be converted on his deathbed, repent for his sins, accept Jesus, and he goes to "heaven."
However, God chooses not to reward the man who tells the truth, abstains from violence, honors those around him, and does generous good works for others. He doesn't believe in the right religious theory, so no heaven.
God is more concerned with your affinity to believe in things you cannot perceive or prove than he is with the type of conscious decisions you make in life or the love you show others.
If that sounds crazy and cultish to you, it's because it is.
I think being a good person is a great thing. I also believe that no matter how good you are, you can't buy your way into heaven via works.
Lastly, I believe that someone who has truly accepted Christ as Savior has what we call a "heart change". They fail just like any other person, but are convicted of this, and have a true desire to live as Jesus lived.
As for the person on their deathbed... God knows if they are having a true change of heart, or are just going through the motions "just in case"
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:36 am to BigEdLSU
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Don't false prophet in here bro.
See what I mean? I post what many consider to be logical and reasonable and now I am a "false prophet." Crazy.
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It's as clear as day in Romans that we are not saved by works (living right) but by faith.
Ahh yes, the citation to a hodgepodge religious text that has been edited, translated, interpreted, and fussed about for over a thousand years. I like the Bible. I think there are a lot of great lessons about history to be learned there. I also think it contains some of the best moral philosophy ever written (along with some of the worst).
But... and be honest... isn't it true that if I refuted you with another religious text, also thousands of years old, that you would not accept that as a valid source? For you, BigEd, the fact that it's in the Bible is the end of the matter, is it not? No other old tomes need apply, right?
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Faith in what? That Jesus was the son of God born of a virgin, sent to earth to teach us and be sacrificed for us. He is the Lamb of God, the righteous sacrifice. Simply believing that is what happened is half the battle, the other half is believing that you can be forgiven by simply asking it.
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Faith in what? That Gilgamesh was the son of Enlil born autocthonously, sent to earth to tame Enkidu and stop him from terrorizing man. He is the Son of Gods, the righteous ruler of Uruk. Simply believing that is what happened is how we know Humbaba was defeated, the other half is believing that Gilgamesh was righteously punished by Ishtar.
Read that. All I did was replace the portions of your cult with some beliefs from another cult. Does it look CRAZY to you now? I find the two versions remarkably similar and imagine that they would be well-received by people within their respective cultures.
I pose an argument that appeals to logos and, IMO, pathos, by saying that it really doesn't make sense for a divine being to fret over something as worthless as faith when people have the opportunity to simply be good. It sure does look funny when guys like you come in to call people "false prophets" because you don't like the argument. I'm a dude with a job, a girlfriend, and an unhealthy obsession with LSU football. Not some demon here to ruin your faith.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:42 am to Tigerlaff
You can't shake my faith. It is what it is. It's you choice whether or not you believe what I believe. I'm not angry that we disagree.
i just called a spade a spade.
i just called a spade a spade.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:45 am to Paluka
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C'mon Tigerlaff. You believe your thing if it is what works for you. Allow others to believe what they want to believe. I understand your argument that these "standards" seem irrational. Perhaps these standards are misunderstood by our limited awareness or perhaps they are exactly as stated. Who knows?
I am by no means saying that anyone needs to change their beliefs. This is America. Believe in Marduk, if it makes you happy. That doesn't mean those beliefs can't be challenged when you bring them into the public space and espouse them, as happened here.
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Perhaps these standards are misunderstood by our limited awareness or perhaps they are exactly as stated. Who knows?
Ahh, ok. This I have a problem with. The religious do not get a monopoly on knowledge or skepticism. You do not get to say "Jesus is the son of god and our only salvation" and then turn around and claim "well, maybe it's just beyond our comprehension and not susceptible to being described by the senses."
Once you appeal to the "we just cannot know" argument, you undercut the original claims you made in the first place.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:48 am to BigEdLSU
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You can't shake my faith. It is what it is. It's you choice whether or not you believe what I believe. I'm not angry that we disagree.
i just called a spade a spade.
I'm not here to shake your faith.
My post was directed at "anyone reading this thread and thinking that some of these posters sound kind of nuts." Go check it. You, sir, jumped headlong into the fray and took up the fight yourself.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 11:50 am
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:49 am to Tigerlaff
Yet I bet you faithfully believe in black holes.... Something you cannot sense at all with your earthly senses.
You're just as throwed off as us if that is the criteria to judge from.
Legit question... Would you pay for performance? Would you pay to find out if God were real?
If God showed you he was real, would you repent and accept him? Or no?
You're just as throwed off as us if that is the criteria to judge from.
Legit question... Would you pay for performance? Would you pay to find out if God were real?
If God showed you he was real, would you repent and accept him? Or no?
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 11:50 am
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:52 am to Gr8t8s
I had a dream the other night I was mowing my yard, which was flooded 
I hit something and big waves of water pushed through the yard and I collapsed face down in water realizing I got electrocuted. I knew is was dying and then alarm clock went off. Kinda happy to wake up and realize it was a dream
I hit something and big waves of water pushed through the yard and I collapsed face down in water realizing I got electrocuted. I knew is was dying and then alarm clock went off. Kinda happy to wake up and realize it was a dream
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:54 am to BigEdLSU
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Yet I bet you faithfully believe in black holes.... Something you cannot sense at all with your earthly senses.
No, I believe that singularities exist because supernovas collapse in on themselves. What is the exact nature of black holes? Hell if I know. I defer to those more educated than me on the subject. Also, we could be totally wrong about the nature of black holes.
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You're just as throwed off as us if that is the criteria to judge from.
Nope, I just don't accept things 100% via faith. If black holes were proven to be something else entirely, I would change my opinion. It would have no effect on my worldview.
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Legit question... Would you pay for performance? Would you pay to find out if God were real?
Yes, absolutely.
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If God showed you he was real, would you repent and accept him? Or no?
Depends on the god.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:55 am to Gr8t8s
the divine mercy of Jesus Christ.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:59 am to Tigerlaff
Well you believe in black holes because of the evidence around them right? How is that not identical to seeing Gods creation (the universe) and realizing it is so perfectly balanced that it's impossible to be random.
On the pay for comment, I know it sets a lot of people off, but it's the only thing the Bible tells us to test God with. I signed about a 1/2 million contract three weeks after first tithing a few years back, and have heard countless similar stories.
Here's a cheap way to prove God is real. Tithe 10% of your check for a few weeks and see what happens. I'm certain he'll bless you.
Then, the question becomes do you accept him. :kern:
On the pay for comment, I know it sets a lot of people off, but it's the only thing the Bible tells us to test God with. I signed about a 1/2 million contract three weeks after first tithing a few years back, and have heard countless similar stories.
Here's a cheap way to prove God is real. Tithe 10% of your check for a few weeks and see what happens. I'm certain he'll bless you.
Then, the question becomes do you accept him. :kern:
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:10 pm to BigEdLSU
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Well you believe in black holes because of the evidence around them right? How is that not identical to seeing Gods creation (the universe) and realiz by it is so perfectly balanced that it's impossible to be random.
The universe is not perfectly balanced. It is in a constant state of change towards entropy. And I believe in black holes because mountains of evidence have suggested that main sequence stars fuse hydrogen into helium and eventually explode only to collapse under their own gravity. Do I know that this is EXACTLY how it works? No, my mind could be changed. I am not a physicist.
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On the pay for comment, I know it sets a lot of people off, but it's the only thing the Bible tells us to test God with. I signed about a 1/2 million contract three weeks after first tithing a few years back, and have heard countless similar stories.
I now put on a special pair of socks when I go to court. I haven't lost a hearing yet while wearing these socks. Other lawyers swear by ties or watches, even underwear. It is coincidence.
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Here's a cheap way to prove God is real. Tithe 10% of your check for a few weeks and see what happens. I'm certain he'll bless you.
First of all, 10% of my income is not cheap. Second, which Church do I need to give it to in order to make sure god is happy? Can I tithe it to a Church that believes in good works as a ticket to heaven? A synagogue? It's mindblowing that your solution to help people find faith is "give them your money." Why have I not been blessed for charitable donations to non-religious groups? Is god hard up for cash? quote:
Then, the question becomes do you accept him. :kern:
Giving money to a religious organization and having totally unrelated good things happen in your life afterward are not linked. If they are linked, the burden is upon you to prove it.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:12 pm to Gr8t8s
It means you are doing something in your life that you know isn't morally right. I used have those type of dreams when I stopped doing the things that I shouldn't be they went away. I'm not religious by anyone's standards.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:13 pm to BigEdLSU
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On the pay for comment, I know it sets a lot of people off, but it's the only thing the Bible tells us to test God with. I signed about a 1/2 million contract three weeks after first tithing a few years back, and have heard countless similar stories.
Here's a cheap way to prove God is real. Tithe 10% of your check for a few weeks and see what happens. I'm certain he'll bless you.
Then, the question becomes do you accept him. :kern:
They are about to come out and call you crazy for giving all your money to some crooked conman in a suit.
I however agree with you. We've given 10% for the longest time. My wife and I agreed last May or June to start giving 15%, not because a preacher told us to but because we were led by God to increase our giving. I Started making between 2-3 grand extra each month after this decision.
I'm a firm believer in tithing not only because God commands it, but because I see the good it does for others, and I use the churches services so why shouldn't I help foot the bill of the facilities.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:17 pm to Tigerlaff
It sounds to me like you are in love with your money. If that is the master you choose to serve, so be it.
I've laid out the easiest path there is to proof.
And btw if you are so open minded to being wrong related to science, why won't you even consider that you may be wrong regarding faith?
This conversation makes me sad. I can't hold all of this blessing in to myself. I need people to share it with
I've laid out the easiest path there is to proof.
And btw if you are so open minded to being wrong related to science, why won't you even consider that you may be wrong regarding faith?
This conversation makes me sad. I can't hold all of this blessing in to myself. I need people to share it with
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:27 pm to BigEdLSU
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It sounds to me like you are in love with your money. If that is the master you choose to serve, so be it.
I love how you are in a rush to find anything negative about me that will confirm your perceptions of people who don't believe what you do. 10% of my income is not cheap because I cannot afford to give it away.
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I've laid out the easiest path there is to proof.
Coincidences are not proof. Even if you could prove correlation, which I am positive you cannot, it would not mean causation. This is basic reasoning.
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And btw if you are so open minded to being wrong related to science, why won't you even consider that you may be wrong regarding faith?
I just told you I'd pay money to find out the truth for sure. If a deity descends from heaven and reveals himself to the world as a supernatural being and is not an alien life form, I will obviously stand corrected. Giving some money to the Church and getting a raise later is not proof that God is pleased with you.
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This conversation makes me sad. I can't hold all of this blessing in to myself. I need people to share it with
I am sorry that my views make you uncomfortable.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:31 pm to Tigerlaff
If you think I'm in a rush to judge you, then I apologize for not articulating my point very well.
I have a mouth full of gold teeth man, I'm not Dudley do-right. I lose my temper a lot. I still smoke. I have killed. I'm a sinner bro, probably a bigger one than you
I have a mouth full of gold teeth man, I'm not Dudley do-right. I lose my temper a lot. I still smoke. I have killed. I'm a sinner bro, probably a bigger one than you
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:39 pm to BigEdLSU
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I have a mouth full of gold teeth man, I'm not Dudley do-right. I lose my temper a lot. I still smoke. I have killed. I'm a sinner bro, probably a bigger one than you
Jesus, man! Wtf?
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:42 pm to Sparkplug#1
You don't know anyone in the military?
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