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re: Could you last one 5-minute round with a fly weight UFC fighter?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:56 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:56 pm to UpToPar
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As I said, the fighter can't kick them if they are laying on the ground in a ball.
LINK Even if you're in a ball, good luck surviving the kicks, knees, dropping knees, and hammer fists.
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:57 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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but he also trains against other 145lb fighters not 220 lb people. Yes he could win in a fight but that extra strength from the heavier person will definately take its toll on their endurance also
Most fighters train against a multitude of weightclasses. I know my son wrestles much larger guys and rolls with bigger guys often in Jui Jitsu.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:59 pm to UpToPar
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Just because he trains to do something doesn't mean he will automatically be able to accomplish it because the other person has not trained to do that same thing.
I totally disagree. When something becomes muscle memory there is no thought involved and the body simply does what it has been trained to do. He won't have to think about how to pull an arm out but the NFL player will have to think and strain and this will be his downfall. muscle memory is why it is almost impossible for an untrained fighter to fight a trained fighter. Endurance is also pretty high on that list.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 3:59 pm to DanTiger
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I know my son wrestles much larger guys and rolls with bigger guys often in Jui Jitsu.
Training is different than actually fighting, and I'm still willing to bet your son doesn't train with people 100 pounds heavier than him. Not seriously at least. That would be a waste of time.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:00 pm to The Mick
Hell no... anyone who says they can is lying to themselves
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:00 pm to DanTiger
from bjj lifestyle team
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Management of the space between you and your opponent is essential when defending. This short article is about maintaining adequate space when defending from the bottom position – but just to make a point – your best strategy when attacking from the top position is to stay tight to your opponent and take space away. You need to maintain space to defend and execute submissions. If someone manages to shut down the space you need in order to defend and submit, of course you need to carry on defending and will need to open up space to become comfortable again – but the job of making space becomes a far harder one. You are dealing with weight, strength, gravity and technique. Once someone gets their body weight over you, particularly if they are heavier than you are, you are in trouble
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:03 pm to UpToPar
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Training is different than actually fighting, and I'm still willing to bet your son doesn't train with people 100 pounds heavier than him. Not seriously at least. That would be a waste of time.
I agree but you said that the 145lber only trained against other 145lbers. I don't believe that is accurate.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:05 pm to The Mick
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Could you last one 5-minute round with a fly weight UFC fighter?
Not a chance.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:07 pm to DanTiger
I said that. A majority of the time they do. Programs obviously differ though.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:12 pm to DanTiger
In regards to grabbing limbs, strength, etc. Bjj is a game of leverage..
Leverage is strength's enemy.
Leverage is strength's enemy.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:12 pm to DanTiger
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I totally disagree. When something becomes muscle memory there is no thought involved and the body simply does what it has been trained to do. He won't have to think about how to pull an arm out but the NFL player will have to think and strain and this will be his downfall. muscle memory is why it is almost impossible for an untrained fighter to fight a trained fighter. Endurance is also pretty high on that list.
Muscle memory is important when your muscles need to act quickly to achieve something like hitting a baseball. It is also important when you need to be very precise at something like playing the guitar. Muscle memory is not all that important when you literally just need to keep your arm close to your body. You are giving these guys far too much credit.
And I didn't say they only trained against 145 pounders.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:13 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
I sparred a marine one time, we fought for almost three hours. At one point I had full mount just beating him senseless, and he told me I was going to have to kill him because he wasn't giving up. I was so sweaty that any real grappling was off the table, ended up smothering him till he passed out at the end. 
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:17 pm to UpToPar
Man y'all need to google "Caio Terra"
Dude weighs 122lbs and absolutely crushes heavy weights in BJJ Tournaments on a regular basis. And these heavy weights are on the same skill level.
If a Flyweight guy gets a big guy to the ground who has never touched any training of the sort, idc if he's extremely in shape, body builds, plays LB for the frickin seahawks... he'll lose.
Dude weighs 122lbs and absolutely crushes heavy weights in BJJ Tournaments on a regular basis. And these heavy weights are on the same skill level.
If a Flyweight guy gets a big guy to the ground who has never touched any training of the sort, idc if he's extremely in shape, body builds, plays LB for the frickin seahawks... he'll lose.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:17 pm to LSUengineer12
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In regards to grabbing limbs, strength, etc. Bjj is a game of leverage..
I agree, which is why these guys are capable of beating guys bigger and stronger than they are, but do you not agree that there is a point where the strength is too much to overcome? Is the power of leverage infinite to you? Where is the point where the strength of the bigger guy would be simply too much for the other fighter to overcome?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:19 pm to UpToPar
Caio. Mother frickin. Terra.
Technique over strength man 100% of the time... If techniques are comparable, then the strongest guy wins.
Technique over strength man 100% of the time... If techniques are comparable, then the strongest guy wins.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:20 pm to The Mick
Nope. I could probably avoid any initial KO attemps, but any serious hold nope i'd tap instantly.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:22 pm to LSUengineer12
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Technique over strength man 100% of the time
lol, the best part is you are an engineer as well.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:26 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:29 pm to LSUengineer12
This isn't a debate who would win. It's a debate if you could just maintain for 5 minutes.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 4:32 pm to LSUengineer12
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LSUengineer'12
Do you realize how asinine your argument is that technique will prevail over strength every time?
The same is often said with linemen in the NFL, and often times it's true, but there comes a point when strength will be too much even for someone using perfect technique.
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