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re: Congestion pricing in NYC appears to be a success so far
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:25 pm to Jcorye1
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:25 pm to Jcorye1
quote:you need food to live, you don’t need tobacco
On a logical sense, it's ridiculous that tobacco is hit with high tax rates while unhealthy and chemical altered "food" doesn't get the same treatment
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:33 pm to Tarps99
That would be the end of St Tammany as you know it. They are already overbuilding. Add a direct bus line to south shore would to me be the final nail in St Tammany.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 12:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Can't wait for someone to ring the racism bell (although I have a feeling it already has begun)
Posted on 7/9/25 at 1:15 pm to CuseTiger
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I think this is going to be a slippery slope. Now that the current pricing has been a 'success', what's going to keep the city from doubling pricing for the sake of 'less cars on the road'? Also what else do you think they try this with in the city? Raise prices on subways and trains since now people are using them? Where is that $500mil going?
The money largely goes to state of good repair and upgrades for the subways, so they don't have to dramatically raise fares. I would be lying if I denied the climate policy motivation behind this, but the main driver isn't climate, its reducing congestion and creating another funding source to maintain public transit which is the backbone of NYC.
NYC is one of only handful of US cities with the density, destinations and transit system to make this work. Less than 25% of Manhattan households have a car. If that number were doubled, even if EVs, Manhattan would cease to function due to traffic and there aren't enough parking spots, public, private, off-street, on-street, to even house that many cars.
Last, infrastructure is freaking expensive to build and maintain, and gets more expensive each day. And its all subsidized, nothing pays its own way, roads, airports, trains, all of it. The gas tax pays pennies of what it cost to build and maintain roads in 2025, In Louisiana (and frankly most of the US) I doubt another large bridge or elevated roadway is ever built that doesn't involve tools, otherwise the math doesn't work. At least transit contributes some user fees to the cost.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 2:02 pm to facher08
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I've heard testimony from lower income residents that work in after-hours service industry jobs who choose to drive into the city for safety concerns. These people were not opposed to the idea of taking public transit in general. They just wanted the routes to be clean of the unsettling dregs that come out at night.
I tend to doubt that many are really driving now since it's always been prohibitively expensive (parking meters/garages, gas in traffic jams / circling for hours for parking spots) and time consuming.
They're -- perhaps rightly -- using the publicity to call attention to poorer neighborhoods on the far edges of the city not being as safe as better areas.
My subway stop at 3am usually has a couple of police officers milling around inside or on the trains and a smattering of drunk college girls and 20-something graphic designers staggering home from bars. I realize all neighborhoods on the far edges of the city aren't like that.
However, it's really less the trains themselves that are dangerous in those areas as it is the streets themselves. I'm not sure it really moves the needle on simply discussing congestion pricing since people would have to walk those same streets from a parking spot.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 5:58 pm to chalmetteowl
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you need food to live, you don’t need tobacco
Tobacco has financed multiple revolutions and is historically significant to large swaths of people.
And no, you don't need 5 big macs washed down with a coke, and I'd easily argue heart disease is a bigger issue than lung disease right now
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