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re: Companies/Plant/Refineries that could've been in Louisiana
Posted on 7/20/23 at 2:45 pm to member12
Posted on 7/20/23 at 2:45 pm to member12
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Hawker Beechcraft was looking at building planes at BTR airport. But it turns out it was just a scam to get a better deal from their unions in Kansas.
Seems like Boeing did the same thing to Shreveport a few years back.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 2:47 pm to rented mule
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You find it far fetched that Edwards and other LA politicians wanted kickbacks that killed deals?
Of course our politicians always wanted kick backs. My point was people always act like we were so close to landing major companies and stuff.
Those companies mostly pretended to be interested to get other states to sweeten their Tex deals.
We don’t have a skilled enough work force and our state is not business friendly enough for much of anything
Posted on 7/20/23 at 2:48 pm to TigerBaron
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Can y'all think of any other Companies/Plant/Refineries that could've been in Louisiana but went elsewhere?
Honestly south La does pretty well with industrial employers considering the handicap of our horrible infrastructure. I feel like we can always do better there. But our real concern is stagnant universities and higher Ed, and the lack of white collar job growth.
North LA is different. They need everything. I think the Monroe area will eventually get something automotive related.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 2:51 pm to member12
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North LA is different. They need everything.
Shreveport area was doing well with Haynesville Shale around 2007 or so. Seems like all that momentum has fizzled out.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 2:52 pm to TigerBaron
This state trips over it self more than any other:
- Pretty much all of Houston’s petrochemical industry was once in Louisiana, but moved after the state refused to offer incentives for them to rebuild after a hurricane.
- The Disney thing is overblown; however, there was a push to build a Disney backed water park here … but the state refused to build the infrastructure and offer the tax incentives they wanted.
- Delta is from Louisiana, but when they asked the state to build them a larger airport that could become the hub of their airline, the state again refused to do so. Atlanta and Georgia said they’d build them the largest airport in the country and “bye bye Delta.”
- IF we had the above industry then it’s very likely that we could’ve secured the new Boeing plant they built a few years ago.
- Multiple developers/builders worked to build the tallest building in the South in New Orleans (even Trump was interested at one point) but that failed multiple times, most recently when the company pushing for it wanted to build the largest casino outside of Vegas but again the state refused.
- Marersk looked into Louisiana as one of their options for their offshore “port” of their giga-class oil tankers. These tankers were to be so large that no port in the world could handle them and they’d have to be unloaded/loaded from a sea platform that used undersea pipelines to pump their crude to land based facilities. Last I read Texas is likely to get this as well.
- We also could’ve had the first Buc-ee’s outside of Texas.
- Pretty much all of Houston’s petrochemical industry was once in Louisiana, but moved after the state refused to offer incentives for them to rebuild after a hurricane.
- The Disney thing is overblown; however, there was a push to build a Disney backed water park here … but the state refused to build the infrastructure and offer the tax incentives they wanted.
- Delta is from Louisiana, but when they asked the state to build them a larger airport that could become the hub of their airline, the state again refused to do so. Atlanta and Georgia said they’d build them the largest airport in the country and “bye bye Delta.”
- IF we had the above industry then it’s very likely that we could’ve secured the new Boeing plant they built a few years ago.
- Multiple developers/builders worked to build the tallest building in the South in New Orleans (even Trump was interested at one point) but that failed multiple times, most recently when the company pushing for it wanted to build the largest casino outside of Vegas but again the state refused.
- Marersk looked into Louisiana as one of their options for their offshore “port” of their giga-class oil tankers. These tankers were to be so large that no port in the world could handle them and they’d have to be unloaded/loaded from a sea platform that used undersea pipelines to pump their crude to land based facilities. Last I read Texas is likely to get this as well.
- We also could’ve had the first Buc-ee’s outside of Texas.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 3:30 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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Delta is from Louisiana
Delta moved back in the early 40s. They had moved from Georgia and renamed themselves.
Atlanta was on the forefront of aviation, but Monroe made no sense for Delta HQ in 1941.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 3:40 pm to Raoul Stimulato
a four-wheeler/golf cart factory in Gheens
Posted on 7/20/23 at 3:55 pm to notiger1997
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Companies/Plant/Refineries that could've been in Louisiana
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You find it far fetched that Edwards and other LA politicians wanted kickbacks that killed deals?
Of course our politicians always wanted kick backs. My point was people always act like we were so close to landing major companies and stuff.
Those companies mostly pretended to be interested to get other states to sweeten their Tex deals.
We don’t have a skilled enough work force and our state is not business friendly enough for much of anything
That's all wonderful but you do understand the sole reason for our illiterate workforce, and our opposite of friendly business climate is completely the product of our politicians which absolutely included Eddie. Our moniker of being the major leagues for developing criminal politicians is just like every other stereotype on the planet and based off of historical events.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 3:58 pm to Raoul Stimulato
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The dildo factory was supposed to be in Gheens
That actually got built. Its just a low key operation running seemlessly in the basement of the new capitol building.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:17 pm to TigerBaron
Not all is bad. Louisiana is quickly becoming the LNG center of the world. From Cameron Parish to the absolutely massive projects currently going on with more planned in lower Plaquemines parish.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:20 pm to TigerBaron
Partially true, you did have to pay Edwin too but I am not aware he killed any deals, but I do know a ton of oil companies left New Orleans because they wouldn’t let them in good Mardi Gras crews or their daughters debutants etc too.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:26 pm to fightin tigers
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Delta moved back in the early 40s. They had moved from Georgia and renamed themselves.
Atlanta was on the forefront of aviation, but Monroe made no sense for Delta HQ in 1941.
You keep saying this but that doesn't help, change, or explain why Delta is not in LA. Was formed here as Delta Crop Duster and grew into an airline that left the state. In 1941 NO ONE was on the "forefront" of aviation yet. Everyone was playing it by ear and learning on the fly so to say that Atlanta had more to offer than LA is just untrue. Atlanta had less of a bankrupt political climate than LA back then which is exactly why Delta is not in LA.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:37 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
Hartsfield is named after the Mayor of Atlanta during that time who courted aviation. Them and Eastern were major players through Atlanta after Delta expanded. Delta already had almost everyone in Atlanta because those are the routes that made sense. I don't believe Delta was even flying to New Orleans when they moved to Atlanta.
Atlanta was more centrally located to the new Delta routes and, yes, had a new municipal airport. Shockingly, the poor rural south wasn't a huge draw for commercial aviation.
Also, Delta crop dusting was the rebadge of another crop dusting entity that moved from Georgia. Macon I think.
Atlanta was more centrally located to the new Delta routes and, yes, had a new municipal airport. Shockingly, the poor rural south wasn't a huge draw for commercial aviation.
Also, Delta crop dusting was the rebadge of another crop dusting entity that moved from Georgia. Macon I think.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:44 pm to TutHillTiger
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Companies/Plant/Refineries that could've been in Louisiana
Partially true, you did have to pay Edwin too but I am not aware he killed any deals, but I do know a ton of oil companies left New Orleans because they wouldn’t let them in good Mardi Gras crews or their daughters debutants etc too.
I'm having a hard time believing your pseudo-narcistic feelings for NOLA are not sarcastic. Are you telling us that you believe the Texaco building on Poydras, which is housed mainly by lawyers,cpas, and other NOT Texaco companies is this way potentially because so and so couldn't get into Rex or Zulu or whatever? That a pretty strong opinion you must have of the Societal Value of the chocolate city. Sorry if you're not being a smartass then that theory is absolutely full retarded.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:49 pm to HenryParsons
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But after Kennedy’s death, Lyndon Johnson changed the locations to Houston
That's not correct. LBJ may have influenced its location, but the Houston site was finalized before then. Kennedy even gave his famous moon by the end of the decade speech at Rice University in 1962 (when he was still alive apparently) just before actual construction began.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:53 pm to fightin tigers
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Companies/Plant/Refineries that could've been in Louisiana
Hartsfield is named after the Mayor of Atlanta during that time who courted aviation. Them and Eastern were major players through Atlanta after Delta expanded. Delta already had almost everyone in Atlanta because those are the routes that made sense. I don't believe Delta was even flying to New Orleans when they moved to Atlanta.
Atlanta was more centrally located to the new Delta routes and, yes, had a new municipal airport. Shockingly, the poor rural south wasn't a huge draw for commercial aviation.
Also, Delta crop dusting was the rebadge of another crop dusting entity that moved from Georgia. Macon I think.
I'm not saying you are wrong about this info, nice post btw, but I am saying that in 1941 that industry was so infantile that with any amount of political commitment every one of the Pros for going to Atlanta would have been overcome and been turned into a nonissue. We as a state need to take a hard look at who we are and decide who we want to be because our current state as a state is directly attributed to our political climate and the fact that rather than looking at these industries as "customers" we are trying to attract, we have chosen to view them as tits every little elected official involved can drain. That is the problem. All of our problems as a state that we have not been able to fix directly stem from our political scene and ethical flexibility.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:56 pm to TigerBaron
I remember a story I heard years ago, perhaps not true.
But it w me that Shreveport could have been Dallas but the Louisiana government botched a big deal to either put a huge airport there or make it a hub for one of the big airline companies.
Instead it went to Dallas and eventually that city turned into what it is today.
But it w me that Shreveport could have been Dallas but the Louisiana government botched a big deal to either put a huge airport there or make it a hub for one of the big airline companies.
Instead it went to Dallas and eventually that city turned into what it is today.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:00 pm to TigerBaron
In general corruption has been on par with 3rd world nations. Wife's uncle is retired general legal counsel for Westlake Group. Ascension is one corrupt parish, just saying.
A high school friend was a civil engineer when Trunkline LNG terminal was built south of Lake Chuck in the later 1970;s All of there air compressors and welding machines came up missing over one weekend. They were able to not lose much time as a local rental tool company had what they needed. Every last serial number matched those that were stolen and the rental tool company was owned by the sheriff (Ham Reid)
My wife's father was a lawyer who worked on the Disney deal for New Orleans East (not Hammond) and on their vacation he met them when they arrived at Disneyland in Anaheim. She thought that he greeted everyone.
A high school friend was a civil engineer when Trunkline LNG terminal was built south of Lake Chuck in the later 1970;s All of there air compressors and welding machines came up missing over one weekend. They were able to not lose much time as a local rental tool company had what they needed. Every last serial number matched those that were stolen and the rental tool company was owned by the sheriff (Ham Reid)
My wife's father was a lawyer who worked on the Disney deal for New Orleans East (not Hammond) and on their vacation he met them when they arrived at Disneyland in Anaheim. She thought that he greeted everyone.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:04 pm to TigerBaron
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Can y'all think of any other Companies/Plant/Refineries that could've been in Louisiana but went elsewhere?
Sure, I know of one for a fact. A major chemical producer opens a plant in Louisiana in the 1970's (still operating). The decide to add an identical plant to the site. Meanwhile they build a second plant at a different location in Louisiana. Edwin Edwards people circle in like vultures on roadkill. The second site awarded the parking lot paving to someone not named Edwards. Immediately the company ran into permitting problems of every kind you can think of. They ultimately decided they couldn't afford to deal with permitting delays on the third plant, so they built it in Oklahoma instead. My first boss was intimately involved. I also know it to be true because I've got the original drawings for the Oklahoma plant, but the drawings all show the original Louisiana site that was planned. That plant would run $500 million to a billion to build now, with around 75 full time jobs; and many more jobs needed to support it. Basically over Edwards' cronies landing a parking lot contract. Of course it wouldn't have ended there, that was going to be just the beginning.
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