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re: Colorado De-felonizes Schedule I and II Personal Drug Possession
Posted on 5/29/19 at 4:16 pm to ColoradoAg03
Posted on 5/29/19 at 4:16 pm to ColoradoAg03
Meanwhile in Louisiana we still can't open medical marijuana dispensaries.
Colorado is handling things the right way.
Colorado is handling things the right way.
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Posted on 5/29/19 at 4:37 pm to ColoradoAg03
Posted on 5/29/19 at 4:58 pm to Janky
Housing is up. Violent crime is down. Values are high.
I don't see where it went to shite.
10+ years ago when it was illegal, dealers sold near police stations so they wouldn't get robbed. Police didn't bother with small amounts.
I don't see where it went to shite.
10+ years ago when it was illegal, dealers sold near police stations so they wouldn't get robbed. Police didn't bother with small amounts.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 5:11 pm to Wtodd
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more and more people will now try these drugs bc they'll only get a fine
No they won’t. Hasn’t stopped me from using cocaine on occasion. And anyone who thinks just trying heroin and meth is a great idea doesn’t have much of a chance in the first place. It’s sensible people that are being overprescribed with opiates that are the majority of the users.
Posted on 5/29/19 at 5:13 pm to Napoleon
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Housing is up. Violent crime is down. Values are high.
I don't see where it went to shite.
And we just overwhelmingly voted to make homeless encampments illegal. I don’t see the trajectory where it’s turning to San Francisco or LA (save for the traffic).
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:22 am to ColoradoAg03
So what's the problem here?
Tell me again, what problems are we solving by arresting recreational drug users?
Please.
Give me a good reason.
Anybody?
No?
You see, for a Country that prides itself on its freedom and founded on Liberty, you better have a really, really good reason for making something illegal. Now, you can't even leave your house without doing something illegal. There was an attempt by the DOJ at one point some years ago, to count all the number of Federal and State laws on the books.
They gave up.
They said it was too numerous to count. They estimated it at upwards of 600,000. How could there there possibly even be 600,000 actions you can take on this planet capable of being made illegal?! Leave it up to politicians and lawyers to figure out a way.
The problem is really our fault. Politicians get elected by the laws they pass not by the ones they don't. So over time, the number of things you can't do grows and freedom recedes. It's a constant battle between Liberty and an ever-expanding government. It's why its said that the natural tendency of government is to grow. It's our job to keep them in check.
We should be voting for politicians to repeal laws that are already on the books, not passing new ones. We need more guys with nicknames like Ron Paul has. 'Dr. No'. He voted no to every new law and constantly introduced legislation to repeal old ones. He was one fighting the good fight at least attempting to try to capture back some of our freedom. Of course he never got any support from anybody in congress unless it was to repeal some corporate law.
And if you doubt the insidious nature all of all this just consider that theyre already passing speech laws in Canada.
TL DR: we should applaud and support any action or attempt to decriminalize or repeal existing law or we will eventually all live in an open prison.
Tell me again, what problems are we solving by arresting recreational drug users?
Please.
Give me a good reason.
Anybody?
No?
You see, for a Country that prides itself on its freedom and founded on Liberty, you better have a really, really good reason for making something illegal. Now, you can't even leave your house without doing something illegal. There was an attempt by the DOJ at one point some years ago, to count all the number of Federal and State laws on the books.
They gave up.
They said it was too numerous to count. They estimated it at upwards of 600,000. How could there there possibly even be 600,000 actions you can take on this planet capable of being made illegal?! Leave it up to politicians and lawyers to figure out a way.
The problem is really our fault. Politicians get elected by the laws they pass not by the ones they don't. So over time, the number of things you can't do grows and freedom recedes. It's a constant battle between Liberty and an ever-expanding government. It's why its said that the natural tendency of government is to grow. It's our job to keep them in check.
We should be voting for politicians to repeal laws that are already on the books, not passing new ones. We need more guys with nicknames like Ron Paul has. 'Dr. No'. He voted no to every new law and constantly introduced legislation to repeal old ones. He was one fighting the good fight at least attempting to try to capture back some of our freedom. Of course he never got any support from anybody in congress unless it was to repeal some corporate law.
And if you doubt the insidious nature all of all this just consider that theyre already passing speech laws in Canada.
TL DR: we should applaud and support any action or attempt to decriminalize or repeal existing law or we will eventually all live in an open prison.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 9:34 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:40 am to teke184
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Let’s see how the state vs federal fight on this one goes.
I can see decriminalizing weed. Other schedule 1 and 2 drugs like coke, heroin, meth, etc? Not so much.
frick the federal government. They're supposed to be in organizing body for the individual States not their Overlord. Hence the name of this country. The United States in the continent of America.
They had it right in the Articles of Incorporation. We need a constitutional convention and the States need to grab back the power they lost over the years.
Unfortunately, most of the States in the union now are wards of the federal government. Hooked on that Federal welfare. That started in 1913 with the passage of the Sixteenth Amendment. Now the states have no room left to increase taxes to make up for the loss of federal dollars because the feds sucked it all up.
See my post above about the nature of government. Ever-expanding but never producing klusterfuk of bureaucracy
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:47 am to kingbob
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I am very curious to see how this turns out. I have been wanting to see states experiment with plans like this for years.
I am curious to see just to what extent prison costs go down and whether we see an increase in violent and/or property crime as a result of keeping more users out of jail.
If I had to guess, I would assume that prison costs go down only slightly in the short term, but yield large longterm savings. I would also hypothesize that property crime (burglary, petty theft, shoplifting, armed robbery) will increase in the short term, but over the long term, violent and property crime will go down as a result.
I think you're spot on. I think the real problem is going to be all the naysayers are going to scream I Told You So initially. It's also harder to measure long-term effects and of course you have to have patience as well.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:49 am to tigerfan247365
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slippery slope fallacy
Mark of a person without consistent principles that operates primarily on fear and emotion
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 9:49 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:56 am to Brazos
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This won’t increase heroin use. That’s such a dumb position to take. A drug being illegal does absolutely nothing to persuade a person from using
I think it will to some extent just because of access and it'll remove the stigma that prevents certain sheeple, mainly Middle America, from wanting to try it.
But the real issue, the one nobody wants to talk about, is that there's not really such a thing as an addictive substance. If there is, then how do people get addicted to things like food, shopping and cracking their knuckles? Addiction is in the mind.
People are addictive not the substance.
My wife and I both did drugs and smoked cigarettes at one point in our lives and we both stopped whenever we felt like it. I'm talking cold turkey. I can pick up a cigarette today and smoke it and not have any urge at all to start smoking on the regular. Neither of us have addictive personalities and have very strong willpower. We have plenty of relatives who are addictive personality types and it will get hooked on anything.
Many people do drugs recreationally and aren't addicted to them. If drugs are so addictive how do you explain their intermittent and at-will use of drugs?
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 9:58 am
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:57 am to ColoradoAg03
Would have come in handy for me a few times.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 9:59 am to nola000
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there's not really such a thing as an addictive substance
That’s the dumbest shite I’ve read since I was unbanned.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:11 am to TH03
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Shocker, a guy whose job is dependent on drug users going to jail says legalizing drugs is a bad thing
He thought that was going to help his credibility. Instead it actually hurts his credibility. Now he has none since he has a conflict of interest built into his opinion.
Also, he wasn't actually in the drug culture, he's viewing it from the opposite side. I was actually part of drug culture and I can tell you that at no point are the penalties or lack thereof an influence on the decision to use drugs. Yes they know all about the laws concerning drugs because they're constantly in and out of the system. But it doesn't have any effect on their decision-making whatsoever.
The biggest fear drug users have is leaving the house with possession and getting stopped by law enforcement.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:21 am to Mr Clean
quote:
That’s the dumbest shite I’ve read since I was unbanned
You sure about that?
You know how we know strychnine is poisonous? Any human on the planet that ingests a high enough dosage will get sick or die. For certain, 100%.
That's how we know for sure that it's toxic.
We can't say the same thing for drugs, can we? Not everybody that does drugs, even often, gets addicted. But some people do.
What does that tell you?
This is a simple exercise in deductive logic.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:24 am to fallguy_1978
quote:
Good. More states should do this.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 10:38 am to fallguy_1978
quote:Meaning we'll probably be last to do it
Good. More states should do this.
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