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re: Close up of an A-10 lighting up a couple of Hadjis
Posted on 5/22/16 at 8:58 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
Posted on 5/22/16 at 8:58 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Those newer ac can cover that mission about like I can cover LF7 out of the flat.
Your analogy falls flat because the AF isn't looking to replace the A-10 in the CAS mission 1v1. It is a system of systems approach. In that light, to carry your analogy forward the AF intends to cover "LF7" with 5 defenders:
2 LBs: B-1 and B-52
3 DBs: F-15E, F-16, and F-35
And for good measure you can throw in the MQ-9s and the Navy/USMC contribution of F-18s.
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Posted on 5/22/16 at 9:07 am to FlyingTiger06
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They operate C-130s and UAVs for reconnaissance
nope.
Posted on 5/22/16 at 9:07 am to FlyingTiger06
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CCA was the #1 cause of CIVCAS over there.
Yeah and I'm sure you AF guys took them 100% at their word right? Yeah I'm sure the 20 people HQN wheeled out around Abad I shot were "innocent civilians" like the AF investigating officer found when Karzai pressured him into it. I'm sure they were completely innocent and I'm sure they didn't just shoot a CIA dude through the head minutes prior.
Posted on 5/22/16 at 9:36 am to slacker130
Are you saying the Army doesn't operate C-130s? Because they absolutely do.
Posted on 5/22/16 at 9:42 am to FlyingTiger06
CAS is gonna go the way of the dodo bird in 15 or 20 years anyway
Posted on 5/22/16 at 9:42 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
You and I both know some of those reports are BS and that there's often more to the story but that isn't just the AF sticking it to the Army. Hell, one of the largest single CIVCAS events in 2010 was when a B-1 dropped a shite-ton of JDAMs on what the Afghans later claimed was a "friendly supply column of trucks coming out of Pakistan." This even though we had ISR on it the whole time and knew it originated from a known Taliban support site in Pakistan.
Point is that if you are going to remove the BS reports for CCA, you have to also remove them for CAS, thus relatively being a neutral position.
Point is that if you are going to remove the BS reports for CCA, you have to also remove them for CAS, thus relatively being a neutral position.
Posted on 5/22/16 at 12:33 pm to FlyingTiger06
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FlyingTiger06
What unit were you in/command under? I have served under MG Lyons too. I'm a civilian now so I can say I'm not a fan.
Posted on 5/22/16 at 1:38 pm to FlyingTiger06
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Are you saying the Army doesn't operate C-130s? Because they absolutely do.
Yes, I'm saying that. I'd like to hear more though.
Posted on 5/22/16 at 1:39 pm to slacker130
quote:Yeah, I am going to have to
Yes, I'm saying that. I'd like to hear more though.
in on this as well. Guess I am about to learning something (which is cool).Posted on 5/22/16 at 1:45 pm to Wolfhound45
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Guess I am about to learning something (which is cool).
Just when I thought I've seen every type of C-130. Maybe I'll get to see that fairly secret Army C-130.
Posted on 5/22/16 at 2:03 pm to slacker130
Been Soldiering since 1981. Never heard of an Army C-130. Guess I am 'bout to get some learning.
Posted on 5/22/16 at 2:06 pm to TheBadgerOfHoney
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What unit were you in/command under? I have served under MG Lyons too. I'm a civilian now so I can say I'm not a fan
I was in the ACCE (later renamed/re-org'd into the 9th AETF-A) and MG Lyon was the ACCE Director. This was right before he was the ACC/A3. Yes, he was a pain in the arse to work for, but the guy knew his airpower and the way to properly employ it.
Posted on 5/22/16 at 2:12 pm to slacker130
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Yes, I'm saying that. I'd like to hear more though.
OK, you were right and I screwed up...what I was thinking of was the C-123 that the National Guard does use. The Marines and the Navy have a few C-130s. My apologies for the mistake.
I guess the few other fixed wing aircraft that the Army flies includes the RC-12 Guardrail. Point is still the same that they do not fly fixed wing "strike" aircraft.
Posted on 5/22/16 at 2:16 pm to FlyingTiger06
Absolutely. No fixed wing "strike" capability that I am aware of.
Hey, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. But it would have had to have been for some ECM/MI/spooky stuff.
Pretty sure we also do the CASA 212 and the C-27J (only because I am a paratrooper).
Hey, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. But it would have had to have been for some ECM/MI/spooky stuff.
Pretty sure we also do the CASA 212 and the C-27J (only because I am a paratrooper).
Posted on 5/22/16 at 2:19 pm to Wolfhound45
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Wolfhound45
Posted on 5/22/16 at 2:31 pm to FlyingTiger06
Back at ya my brother
Posted on 5/22/16 at 3:14 pm to FlyingTiger06
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OK, you were right and I screwed up...what I was thinking of was the C-123 that the National Guard does use. The Marines and the Navy have a few C-130s. My apologies for the mistake.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong and it takes a bigger man to point and laugh at him. (or geographically separated smaller man works too)
I have flown 23 different flavors of C-130s, I was going to mad if someone was hiding a variant that I didn't know about.
Posted on 5/22/16 at 3:47 pm to slacker130
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have flown 23 different flavors of C-130s, I was going to mad if someone was hiding a variant that I didn't know about.
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slacker130
Posted on 5/22/16 at 5:00 pm to WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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in an urban environment
but I would take the A-10 everywhere else. Granted I have only had the A-10 for CAS in the desert of Iraq and the mountains in Afghanistan (RC-East) so I have not witnessed their performance in a heavily wooded area.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 7:21 am to FlyingTiger06
No the AF Brass is looking to buy new shinier objects (with impressive junkets attached) while justifying sun setting the best platform for the job of CAS at the same time.
You can combine whatever you want including Santa Clause they still won't have the durability, armament, maneuverability, lift for slow approaches, and ability to stay on station like the hog does.
Add to those factors the psychological advantage the hog brings to the table and the brass are screwing the pooch. That is whey the date keeps getting pushed back.
You can combine whatever you want including Santa Clause they still won't have the durability, armament, maneuverability, lift for slow approaches, and ability to stay on station like the hog does.
Add to those factors the psychological advantage the hog brings to the table and the brass are screwing the pooch. That is whey the date keeps getting pushed back.
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