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re: Chicot State Park could face cuts, closures because of funding

Posted on 1/24/18 at 7:27 am to
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 7:27 am to
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There's no reason for tax payers to subsidize the cost of operations


State parks generally make up a very small slice of the budget. Saying that state parks are some sort of drag on the overall fiscal health of the government is dishonest.

If you were to open up a pie chart of Louisiana's state spending, the vast majority of spending probably goes to healthcare, retirements, and schools.
Posted by ZeekFreak
Member since Jun 2017
602 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 7:56 am to
i'm from Evangeline parish and never heard of anyone mention a location called PINE POINT. I grew up in Vidrine.
Posted by AP83
Cottonport
Member since Sep 2009
2870 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:33 am to
Dang. Where’s all the boys with hurt backs from Ville Platte going to fish everyday now.
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 8:58 am to
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Really nice park and one of the only state parks in the state worth visiting. The state already doesn't have many state parks as it is. I guess they have to cut funding for recreation to make room for all dem gub'ment handouts...


If the legislature would roll back a portion of the hundreds of millions of dollars in tax expenditures/subsidies that the state doles out each year to businesses, maybe the funding for State Parks (which has been cut drastically already, mainly during the Jindal years) wouldn't have to be cut again. For example, that ridiculous subsidy the state pays each year in the business inventory tax credit to companies needs to go. The parishes benefit, and the state foots the bill. It generally costs the state between $200 to $300 million annually. Hell, just a year or two ago, corporations in Louisiana paid net zero in state income taxes due to all the tax credits/expenditures the legislators have handed out to businesses over the years, that is a fact.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 8:59 am
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 9:09 am to
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got to shore up that Louisiana retirement fund , babe.


That's bullshite. The VAST portion of the state budget is healthcare and education. The Lousiana State Retirement system is one of the best managed pension funds in the country and is well on its way to paying off the original UAL. And the real problem with the state budget originated when Jindal and the legislature rolled back the Stelly tax plan due to all the affluent people whining about paying their fair share of taxes. That blew a big hole in the state budget which the state is still trying to deal with. Furthermore, the legislature needs to take a look at the hundreds of millions of dollars (approaching a billion dollars annually) in those tax expenditures/credits/subsidies the state pays out each year to big business. Just a year or two ago, corporations paid net zero in state income taxes due to all the tax credits they get from Lousiana. In addition to the ludicrous business inventory tax credit/subsidy the state doles out each year to the tune of $300 million, it should look at the subsidy it pays to billionaire owner of the Saints, Tom Benson. Cut some of that corporate welfare, and the state would be in the black fairly quickly.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 9:11 am
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34201 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 9:43 am to
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Yeah they went up on campsite prices too.

They are more expensive than some of the nicest National Parks. Now I go camping elsewhere.


Many have started coming to TX parks for camping for a change of pace.
Posted by BLUEJAY1
ficcatahique,la
Member since Jul 2015
23 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:26 am to
corner of junk pile road and hmy. 104, 5 miles east of big Mamou.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
57789 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:08 am to
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I always heard Chicot kept the other parks running. It's the state's flagship park, but also the largest.


While Chicot is indeed the biggest, it's not the most profitable. The only site in the La. State Parks system that makes a profit is Fontainebleau, every other site runs at a deficit (22 state parks, 15 state historic sites with about 1/3 of the historic sites running by appointment-only).

Hodges Gardens had great potential to be the centerpiece but the amount of money it would have taken to bring it up as well as the lack of any real desire to do so (it was foisted on state parks by legislators, much like Black Bear Golf Course, if memory serves).

State Parks has been having troubles for over a decade now due to spending cuts, maintenance funds being raped for the sake of keeping Jindal from saying he had to raise taxes (looking at you, Angelle Davis) and poor leadership from the very top of the State Parks organization (sometimes including the Lt Gov's office, sometimes not). They are at a point now where there are park managers managing more than one park and some parks having a total of 2 full-time employees (parks are open 7 days a week, so during that time at least one has to man the entrance station).

The best thing the Lt Governor could do right now is to have legislators out to the parks without fixing them up ahead of time and let them see how bad the conditions are (recently he did this at Chicot but had state parks running full-bore for the month preceeding the visit to make things pretty).

If not then they'll need to start closing parks and historic sites with the lowest visitation or else move the whole agency under Wildlife & Fisheries.
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:49 am to
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State Parks has been having troubles for over a decade now due to spending cuts, maintenance funds being raped for the sake of keeping Jindal from saying he had to raise taxes (looking at you, Angelle Davis)


This^^^^^^

It's also time that the state takes a serious look at rolling back the hundreds of millions of dollars in tax credits/expenditures/subsidies it doles out to corporations each year. The business inventory tax credit, which benefits the parishes but it's the state that foots the bill, costs the state at least $200 million a year. Cutting the part of the Stelly Tax structure that asked the more affluent in the state to pay their fair share of income taxes also blew a big hole in the budget that the state has been struggling to deal with ever since.
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:51 am to
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The only site in the La. State Parks system that makes a profit is Fontainebleau,


If only Fairview-Riverside State Park had the room to add a bunch of cabins/lodges, I believe it too would be profitable. It's heavily visited as well.
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:50 pm to
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Yeah they went up on campsite prices too. They are more expensive than some of the nicest National Parks.


That's what happens when people elect morons like Bobbie Jindal who drastically cut funding for state parks so he doesn't have to ask the affluent and corporations to pay their fair share of taxes.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 12:51 pm
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
98736 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:04 pm to
So where do you really stand on the issue?
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:12 pm to
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If only Fairview-Riverside State Park had the room to add a bunch of cabins/lodges, I believe it too would be profitable. It's heavily visited as well.


Fairview gets a lot of overflow from Fontainebleau during the busy season.

The room is there for cabins/lodges on the Tchefuncte along that deep bow in the river, but they would have to be built up high like the ones on the lake at Fontainebleau and any roads out there would need to be raised to some extent. They could also take down the Otis House to make room for a lodge (no idea how much visitation it gets, but it can't be much).
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 1:14 pm
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 6:26 pm to
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i'm from Evangeline parish and never heard of anyone mention a location called PINE POINT. I grew up in Vidrine.



Damn, dude, you don't get out much, do ya? Have you ever crossed the state line?

Posted by Teton Tiger
Somewhere between here and there.
Member since Mar 2005
3034 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 7:21 pm to
However they won’t close the state operated golf course. ??
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