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re: Chicago mayor is appealing for calm after releasing video of Adam Toledo shooting
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:49 am to Salmon
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:49 am to Salmon
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You implied that the cop couldn't see clearly. That's breaking the #1 rule with guns.
You don’t know shite about what he could see. Only his testimony would prove that
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Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:49 am to cable
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This cannot be a serious comment.
Sadly it isn’t. Those that have never heard a shot fired in anger think “playing a complicated game of Russian roulette is part of an LEO’s job description.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:51 am to Salmon
You're an idiot, too.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:51 am to TutHillTiger
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Kid may or may not have thrown the unloaded gun, can’t tell from video but he was clearly shot complying with commands, unarmed and hands up. A reasonable qualified police officer would not have shite this kid. Once you have a target in your sights it is over. This advantage bulllshit is part of the military training that has caused all this bulllshit. If I have my sights on you in a prone shooting position, no way in hell unless you are James Bourne are you getting a shot at me or any other minimal skilled gun owner. I guess I could freeze but i could put 6 in you before you could swing that gun towards me.
Now they are being taught they are not to risk their lives, they are more important than any suspect and when in doubt shot to kill not worth the risk. Either they are being prepared to be soldiers against something or something else.
Dude, you are an idiot and that is putting it mildly!
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:51 am to Proximo
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You don’t know shite about what he could see
I know. I never commented on what he could or couldn't see.
The ky guy did.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:01 am to Salmon
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I do think, however, that the cop should allow the person that he is yelling orders to at least comply with those orders before shooting them.
Did the cop say “turn towards me and show me your hands?”.....if so I could possibly understand the thought that this was a “bad shoot”. The fast action of a suspect known to be carrying a firearm is what lead to a situation where the LEO had 1/2 a second to decide to shoot or not.
Even though I am not black, I remember talking to my boys and talking about LEO interactions. I taught them to explain any movement first, get approval of the LEO and to move at 1/2 speed. The reason why I taught that to them is I used to train young men to do vehicle searches, traffic stops and it calms the situation down while giving the LEO a since of control.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:06 am to East Coast Band
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also would like to take a moment to talk about the kid's parenting
She should be arrested too.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:06 am to ABearsFanNMS
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Did the cop say “turn towards me and show me your hands?”....
no unfortunately, his orders were more "fricking stop" and "drop it", which the kid did
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The fast action of a suspect known to be carrying a firearm is what lead to a situation where the LEO had 1/2 a second to decide to shoot or not.
I realize this was a potential dangerous situation. I realize the cop was in a panic state. I don't think the cop is/was a murderer.
One can realize all of these things, and also realize that the cop did not handle the situation very well, both with his orders, and with his quick trigger.
I don't understand why some people get so emotionally invested in these arguments. (not specifically directed at you)
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:07 am to 0x15E
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That’s a big assumption that they actually knew he was out that early. Maybe he’s good at sneaking out.
I snuck out to make out with girls. Not get the moniker of Lil homicide.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:10 am to Salmon
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anytime someone has a gun, a cop has the right to shoot them? is this your logic?
Fleeing a crime scene brandishing a gun? Yeah.
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Time lapse photos show that the officer had 8/10ths of a second to determine if that weapon was still in his hands or not,” Catanzara said. “There's no way a rational person can say they can process that and their muscle reaction would be less than one second.”
But go ahead a stick up for Lil homicide.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 8:13 am
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:15 am to Salmon
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unfortunately, his orders were more "fricking stop" and "drop it", which the kid did
I love how you leave out important points of this.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:15 am to Salmon
Eh, most of that may be true but I’m not sure there’s a “good” way to handle that.
The only real thing I can see him doing differently is telling the kid to raise his hands “slowly” after “drop it” but I’m not even sure there was enough time for that.
Just a bad situation. Kid didn’t deserve to die but made enough poor choices that his chances of dying were higher than his chances of living.
The only real thing I can see him doing differently is telling the kid to raise his hands “slowly” after “drop it” but I’m not even sure there was enough time for that.
Just a bad situation. Kid didn’t deserve to die but made enough poor choices that his chances of dying were higher than his chances of living.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:16 am to dgnx6
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Time lapse photos show that the officer had 8/10ths of a second to determine if that weapon was still in his hands or not,”
I mean...he would have had more seconds to determine it, but he shot him.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:18 am to Salmon
The point of the time elapse is that it’s less than a second since he last saw the weapon which was behind the kid
The kid could have, you know, verbalized something at some point, too.
“I dropped it I dropped it”... anything
The kid could have, you know, verbalized something at some point, too.
“I dropped it I dropped it”... anything
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:18 am to Tiguar
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Just a bad situation. Kid didn’t deserve to die but made enough poor choices that his chances of dying were higher than his chances of living.
I can agree with this.
Obviously at the end of the day, the kid was a massive POS and was headed nowhere in life, so its not like I'm mourning the kid.
I just think that if a cop is going to yell orders to someone, he has to at least give the kid a chance to comply with those orders.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:18 am to ABearsFanNMS
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Did the cop say “turn towards me and show me your hands?”.....if so I could possibly understand the thought that this was a “bad shoot”. The fast action of a suspect known to be carrying a firearm is what lead to a situation where the LEO had 1/2 a second to decide to shoot or not.
Yep, that was my point. Split second decision in the dark.
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I taught them to explain any movement first, get approval of the LEO and to move at 1/2 speed. The reason why I taught that to them is I used to train young men to do vehicle searches, traffic stops and it calms the situation down while giving the LEO a since of control.
Would deescalate 99.99999% of these situations.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:21 am to Salmon
I’m not even saying he made poor choices in life, I mean just that night
1. Out after midnight
2. With a gun
3. Initially ran from police
4. Attempted to conceal weapon behind back
5. Did not make it obvious he was throwing gun away
6. Did not verbally engage with said police
7. Jerked his hands up from behind his back where gun was last seen
1. Out after midnight
2. With a gun
3. Initially ran from police
4. Attempted to conceal weapon behind back
5. Did not make it obvious he was throwing gun away
6. Did not verbally engage with said police
7. Jerked his hands up from behind his back where gun was last seen
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 8:22 am
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:22 am to Salmon
I don't know how some of you can focus on what the cop said and disregard what the cop saw at the same time. "well he complied!" - while a gun is seen in the kids hand and 8/10 of a second later the kid is facing you with his hands up. If he didn't drop the gun how many fractions of a second were his hands half way up pointing at the police officer?
Get real brah.
Get real brah.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:22 am to Salmon
Oh classic libtard salmon has entered the thread
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:25 am to Fox McCloud
After watching the full video, I am changing my opinion. This kid was an idiot shooting a gun randomly and had a gun when the cop ran up to him.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 8:28 am
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