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Catalonia region of Spain (Barcelona) has voted to declare independence from Spain
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:27 am
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:27 am
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Huge story, more so because the Spanish central government was a bit heavy-handed in their attempt to stop the vote from happening.
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He said the door was open to a unilateral declaration of independence after Catalan officials said voters had backed secession with a 42.3% turnout.
Spain's government has warned it could suspend Catalan autonomy.
The constitutional court banned the vote and almost 900 people were hurt as police tried to stop it going ahead.
Officers from the national police and paramilitary Civil Guard seized ballot papers and boxes at polling stations.
Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said Catalans had been fooled into taking part in an illegal vote.
More than 2.2 million people were reported to have voted, according to Catalan authorities, out of 5.3 million registered voters. Just under 90% of those who voted backed independence, they said.
A Catalan spokesman said more than 750,000 votes could not be counted because polling stations were closed and urns were confiscated.
Huge story, more so because the Spanish central government was a bit heavy-handed in their attempt to stop the vote from happening.
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:30 am to GetCocky11
You could replace Spain with almost any Middle Eastern country or African country and it would be par for the course. But Spain beating down voters to stop a vote? That's very surprising
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:30 am to GetCocky11
I highly doubt they're going to get any worthwhile recognition from any major world power.
I already know they United States will either have no opinion or say they don't recognize it.
I already know they United States will either have no opinion or say they don't recognize it.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:31 am to GetCocky11
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:33 am to GetCocky11
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Huge story, more so because the Spanish central government was a bit heavy-handed in their attempt to stop the vote from happening.
Well, it is a meaningless, illegal vote. They can't simply declare themselves independent and expect Spain to give up a huge swath of its territory....which has belonged to Spain forever.
"Hey Spain, thanks a lot for pouring billions into Barcelona. We'll take it from here. Maybe we'll let you use your, oh wait, OUR port at a discount!"
It's like California declaring independence.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 7:37 am
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:33 am to GetCocky11
Hail Madrid! Hail King Felipe VI! Death to Catalonia!
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:34 am to GetCocky11
The vote was illegal under the spanish constitution.
Its not like the UK where Scotland could secede.
Its not like the UK where Scotland could secede.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:35 am to Cosmo
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The vote was illegal under the spanish constitution.
The american revolution was illegal too and we still did it anyway.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:35 am to GetCocky11
I’m very interested to see the opinions of a lot of y’all. Given America’s own history of having several states declare independence.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:38 am to GetCocky11
Texas ??
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:38 am to Sentrius
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The american revolution was illegal too and we still did it anyway.
Yep, we did. So good luck with that Catalan revolution against Spain, the EU, and NATO. And if you did take it, holding it.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:38 am to Sentrius
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The american revolution was illegal too and we still did it anyway.
I thought about making this comparison, but it is tough. We were overseas colonies of Great Britain, different from say...Scotland or Wales, which is closer to what Catalonia is to Spain.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:41 am to jlovel7
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I’m very interested to see the opinions of a lot of y’all. Given America’s own history of having several states declare independence.
Support.
The war of northern aggression should've never taken place and Abe Lincoln, wherever he is now, will forever have the lives of half a million human beings on his conscience just to keep a ragtag band of states together.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:10 am to GetCocky11
Too bad it won't happen. They deserve independence.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:10 am to Sentrius
Spain should hope that the Catalonians don't take a page from the Basque playbook.
The ETA caused tons of trouble for the Madrid government and the last thing a tourism-heavy country like Spain needs is some pissed of separatist lighting off a bomb in the subway.
The ETA caused tons of trouble for the Madrid government and the last thing a tourism-heavy country like Spain needs is some pissed of separatist lighting off a bomb in the subway.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:14 am to Blue Velvet
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They deserve independence.
Based upon what exactly?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:18 am to GetCocky11
My understanding is that Catalonia is like several regions in Europe that were stuck with Countries after WW2 that they didn't belong with or want to be a part of.
I believe Catalonia identifies more with France than Spain.
Corsica,I believe,has similar feelings about being a part of France.
I believe Catalonia identifies more with France than Spain.
Corsica,I believe,has similar feelings about being a part of France.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:19 am to GetCocky11
Texas is next.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:23 am to tidalmouse
Right, the difference is that they've been part of Spain for 500+ years.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:26 am to GetCocky11
wonder if any of the catalonian soccer players or big time barcelona guys will continue to play for spain?
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